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#Post#: 7704--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 18, 2023, 8:24 am
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Here is the rejection - we need to see what you wrote to them
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#Post#: 7705--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: Goatzie1234
Date: October 18, 2023, 8:50 am
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Sorry,
I had said that the roads were very congested on that day, I
believed I had right of way as the traffic on the other road was
merging on to the road I was on. The bus did not adhere to the
right of way, I gave the bus a wide berth in order not to cause
a collision as it was turning as I was in the buses blind spot,
and how the was a reckless motorcyclist weaved in front of me. I
mentioned that I am not clear on what else I could have done
here. Obviously I could not reverse back, and how I was sure not
to cause an obstruction, the traffic crossing the junction was
flowing fine.
#Post#: 7721--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 18, 2023, 2:33 pm
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I'm not sure that you stopped for stationary vehicles.
The initial stop was IMO more to do with the bus cutting across
and at that time the bus was moving...you both became static at
about the same time.
After that, there is room for you to clear the box but it is
easy to believe that you didn't as a precaution against the bus
cutting further over when traffic moved.
TBH not sure how an adjudicator would view it, the first part is
IMO good enough to argue that the stop was not due to stationary
vehicles, the second not sure.
#Post#: 7722--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: Goatzie1234
Date: October 18, 2023, 2:59 pm
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Rewatching the footage now, it could look like I am trying to
merge into the right lane. This actually wasn’t the case, I
wanted the left lane as my exit was coming up. I vear to the
right because of the bus as I knew I was in the box junction.
The bus is merging into the right lane. I can assure you there
is no space here for a vehicle! Perhaps I need to go and measure
it. If I would have moved forward any further I would have been
in front of the bus and caused a nightmare
#Post#: 7725--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: Goatzie1234
Date: October 18, 2023, 3:12 pm
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I’ve made my mind up. I am just going to pay it and get this out
of my life. I can’t risk it jumping to double the amount. I
guess in future I don’t cross the junction until the road ahead
is entirely clear and just ignore the honks behind me.
#Post#: 7733--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 18, 2023, 4:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Goatzie1234 link ---
>
> I’ve made my mind up. I am just going to pay it and get this
out of my life. I can’t risk it jumping to double the amount. I
guess in future I don’t cross the junction until the road ahead
is entirely clear and just ignore the honks behind me.
>
--- End Quote ---
Your money, your choice.
All I can say is that I've seen slimmer chances win and more
certain lose.
It isn't borderline that you stopped because of moving
traffic...the bus was moving, forcing you to stop.
I reckon by looking at the video that there was receiving room
had you chosen to use it and that is what an adjudicator will be
looking at.
But although I think an adjudicator ought to give the benefit
and cancel the PCN, cannot guarantee it
#Post#: 7738--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 18, 2023, 5:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Goatzie1234 link ---
>
> I’ve made my mind up. I am just going to pay it and get this
out of my life. I can’t risk it jumping to double the amount. I
guess in future I don’t cross the junction until the road ahead
is entirely clear and just ignore the honks behind me.
>
--- End Quote ---
Now you know how councils farm such huge amounts of money from
motorists; they know from experience that the motorists (90%+),
fold at the first hurdle so always refuse any representation no
matter how valid.
#Post#: 7773--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: Goatzie1234
Date: October 19, 2023, 5:43 am
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ok - youve help change my mind :)
I am going to fight it.
I will compose a draft now.
#Post#: 7775--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 19, 2023, 5:59 am
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> I will compose a draft now.
--- End Quote ---
Post it here for comment first.
#Post#: 7776--------------------------------------------------
Re: 31J - entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited Peartree way, Greenwich
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 19, 2023, 6:03 am
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Just don't blame us if it fails.... there are no guarantees.
Two points to make.
You were forced to stop by a moving vehicle (the bus)
Once Stopped, there was receiving room but safety concerns (not
knowing what the bus would do next) precluded you from
continuing.
Don't prevaricate about the receiving room, the video seems to
show enough space, that is all that will be looked at.
Post your draft before sending.
Don't miss deadlines.
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