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#Post#: 80920--------------------------------------------------
NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a red
route
DIR By: kragnar
Date: July 14, 2025, 7:54 am
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Hi everyone,
I’ve recently received a Parking Charge Notice from NCP Gatwick
claiming I stopped on a red route. The notice includes images
showing my vehicle in that spot, but it was sent to me around 50
days after the alleged incident.
For context, I’m a PCO driver and I regularly use that road to
access the parking area. I genuinely don’t remember stopping
where they claim, and the photos don’t show what was in front of
the car—so I can’t tell if I stopped briefly or was just slowing
down. The evidence seems quite limited.
I’m currently hiring this vehicle from a company and have been
the sole driver for a long time, well before and after the date
of the alleged incident—so if anything did happen, it would have
been me driving. I’ve contacted the hire company, and they’re
unsure whether they officially transferred the notice to me, as
they don’t recall doing so and are currently checking their
records.
Another point that may be relevant: I’m registered with
Gatwick’s autopay system using my details and this vehicle’s
registration. I’m wondering if, because of this, NCP may have
bypassed the vehicle owner (the hire company) and sent the
charge directly to me based on my account info—though I’m not
entirely sure how that works. I'm in for it now as i am
currently dealing with a different pcn and came across this
forum.
This is my first time posting on a forum like this, so I’d
really appreciate any help or advice on how to approach this or
if it’s worth challenging.
I’ve attached the evidence they sent me below.
Thanks in advance for your help!
I'm in for it now as i am currently dealing with a different pcn
and came across this forum.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/UoC8H5T
#Post#: 80922--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 14, 2025, 7:57 am
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Please show us the notice you have received. Please also confirm
if you are the Registered Keeper of the vehicle (with the V5C in
your possession), or if the vehicle is on lease to you as the
hirer.
#Post#: 80926--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: kragnar
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:13 am
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I have updated my post with the additional information you
requested. Let me know if you need anything further
#Post#: 80927--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: jfollows
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:21 am
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Standard appeal for Gatwick, assuming the driver is not
identified, is
--- Quote ---
> I am the registered keeper. NCP cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, NCP will
be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because
Gatwick Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Gatwick Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because NCP is not the
Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never
attempts to be a penalty. It is created for NCP's own profit (as
opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and
NCP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the
driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
NCP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
You need to modify your posts so that the driver is not
identified.See the READ THIS FIRST linked from Reply #1 above.
However, you’re not the registered keeper, so you can’t respond
exactly as above.
Taking the notice as a Notice to Hirer, as well as not being
relevant land as above, if it were then it also fails the
requirements of PoFA 2012 by not including specific documents
required by law.
So many points to appeal on.
#Post#: 80928--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:33 am
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Jfollows, he is not the registered keeper, so that appeal is not
quite right.
Any references to the keeper should be changed to the hirer.
#Post#: 80929--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: jfollows
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:36 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> Jfollows, he is not the registered keeper, so that appeal is
not quite right.
>
> Any references to the keeper should be changed to the hirer.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, thanks, I wasn’t clear enough.
--- Quote ---
> I am the hirer of the vehicle. NCP cannot hold a registered
keeper or hirer liable for any alleged contravention on land
that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law,
NCP will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions
because Gatwick Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Gatwick Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because NCP is not the
Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never
attempts to be a penalty. It is created for NCP's own profit (as
opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and
NCP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the
driver only.
>
> The hirer cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the
driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law
of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. NCP have no
hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste
of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 80930--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: kragnar
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:44 am
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--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
>
> Standard appeal for Gatwick, assuming the driver is not
identified, is
> [quote]I am the registered keeper. NCP cannot hold a
registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land
that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law,
NCP will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions
because Gatwick Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Gatwick Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because NCP is not the
Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never
attempts to be a penalty. It is created for NCP's own profit (as
opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and
NCP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the
driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
NCP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
You need to modify your posts so that the driver is not
identified.See the READ THIS FIRST linked from Reply #1 above.
However, you’re not the registered keeper, so you can’t respond
exactly as above.
Taking the notice as a Notice to Hirer, as well as not being
relevant land as above, if it were then it also fails the
requirements of PoFA 2012 by not including specific documents
required by law.
So many points to appeal on.
[/quote]
Thanks, I forgot that i needed to hide such details as it could
lead to issues. I wanted to give as much details as possible and
provided too much in my haste. I have amended and hidden any
details per the forums standard. Let me know if there is
anything else i need to do.
#Post#: 80942--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 14, 2025, 10:46 am
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I’m currently hiring this vehicle from a company and have been
*****for a long time,
An example of how you must amend your posts. Never admit to
being the driver at this stage.
Anyway, at this stage the issue is procedural, so pl answer the
questions.
What documents did you receive with the 'Parking charge to
hirer'?
#Post#: 80944--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: kragnar
Date: July 14, 2025, 10:52 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> I’m currently hiring this vehicle from a company and have been
*****for a long time,
>
> An example of how you must amend your posts. Never admit to
being the driver at this stage.
>
> Anyway, at this stage the issue is procedural, so pl answer
the questions.
>
> What documents did you receive with the 'Parking charge to
hirer'?
>
--- End Quote ---
No other Documents were sent to me other than the one page
"Parking charge to hirer" with a back page on how i should
appeal and what if i wasn't the driver. I will include a photo
of the back page now with the other photos but other than that
nothing else. I haven't appealed or done anything regarding the
PCN as of now without final advice on how it is i should appeal
and when.
#Post#: 80945--------------------------------------------------
Re: NCP Gatwick Parking Charge – Contravention: Stopping on a
red route
DIR By: jfollows
Date: July 14, 2025, 11:16 am
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Your first post still identifies the driver!
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