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#Post#: 80773--------------------------------------------------
Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham Gardens,
parked while restructions in force
DIR By: Milomix
Date: July 13, 2025, 4:58 am
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I park my car on Wroxham Gardens in Haringey, which is a about a
3-4 min walk from where I live because (i) there are no parking
restrictions, (ii) there is always space, (iii) it's dead-end
some no through traffic to damage car, and (iv) I rarely use my
car, so it's a safe, convenient place to leave it.
I parked there sometime 2 July (looking at when I last used
ringo to park somewhere else) and hadn’t used it until yesterday
12 July. When I collected it had been moved to the other side of
the road - and there were two PCNs attached to it.
Looking at the evidence online, there was a suspension of park
on 7 and 8 July. In the evidence pictures there are clearly
signs, I didn’t see them when I parked, but assume they were
there (I think reversed into the spot, so missed the sign behind
he car which would have been obscured by another car, then got
out driver side and cut across the road towards the park path)
I suspect there isn’t much grounds for appeal (Haringey have the
ringo parking data so know I parked there on 2 July or later)
for leaving the car there but would the second ticket be a
continuous contravention and worth appealing?
Streeview:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/2vFornncVrARNGPVA
PCNs:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/ofaCwoj
#Post#: 80833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 13, 2025, 2:03 pm
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The problem is that you leave your car for long periods without
checking on it and whether there are any parking suspensions. In
this case, because there are no parking restrictions at all, the
council have to make a Temporary Traffic Regulation Order, and
put this up on the local lamp posts some days before the TTRO
comes into effect. 7 days is regarded as normal.
I suggest you submit reps on the first PCN that your car was
parked legally when you parked it, therefore no contravention
occurred. You note that the council moved your car to another
part of the street and that is surely the only action they
should have taken.
You submit rep for the second PCN on the grounds that a PCN was
served to the car on <date> and this one on <date. but the
notice suspending the parking is over several days, therefore it
was a continuing contravention therefore a single PCN suffices.
#Post#: 80842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 13, 2025, 3:37 pm
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That they didn't move the car on day 1 is IMO also a strong
defence. In other words you shouldn't have available to you the
argument that it was a continuous contravention because the car
should have been moved on day 1! Why wait until after PCN 2 was
issued before moving, after all the prohibition only lasted 2
days.
PCN 1, move the car, everyone's happy(ish)! Certainly happier
than issue 2 PCNs then move.
#Post#: 80869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: Milomix
Date: July 14, 2025, 3:49 am
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Thank you both, I'm going to to give that a go and will let you
know how I get on. Very much appreciate the advice.
#Post#: 80872--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 14, 2025, 4:04 am
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I think that the problem in this case is with the traffic order.
Haringey have enacted one which they think enables them to
suspend parking in any road at any time for an 18 month period.
Thus they create one order and only pay one fee to advertise it
thus avoiding all those little weekly announcements you used to
see in the local paper and all the fees. Motorists are therefore
not on proper notice of upcoming works. I have never yet got as
far as the tribunal with this argument.
I am happy to write and submit all the challenges for the OP but
have slightly changed the charity system. I still work pro bono
(for free) but ask motorists to pay £40 directly to the North
London Hospice before I start. I can be emailed on
mrmustard@zoho.com
I think both of these PCNs are beatable given the correct
approach. I am well known in Haringey Parking.
#Post#: 80991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: Milomix
Date: July 14, 2025, 4:12 pm
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--- Quote from: mrmustard link ---
>
> I think that the problem in this case is with the traffic
order. Haringey have enacted one which they think enables them
to suspend parking in any road at any time for an 18 month
period. Thus they create one order and only pay one fee to
advertise it thus avoiding all those little weekly announcements
you used to see in the local paper and all the fees. Motorists
are therefore not on proper notice of upcoming works. I have
never yet got as far as the tribunal with this argument.
>
> I am happy to write and submit all the challenges for the OP
but have slightly changed the charity system. I still work pro
bono (for free) but ask motorists to pay £40 directly to the
North London Hospice before I start. I can be emailed on
mrmustard@zoho.com
>
> I think both of these PCNs are beatable given the correct
approach. I am well known in Haringey Parking.
>
--- End Quote ---
Okay, I'm up for this giving this a punt! I'll drop you an
email.
#Post#: 109409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: February 11, 2026, 2:01 am
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Quick update. Appeals were lodged at the tribunal on 12 October
and yesterday Haringey Council 'Do not contested' them both and
cancelled the PCNs accordingly. Persistence pays.
#Post#: 109510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham
Gardens, parked while restructions in force
DIR By: Milomix
Date: February 11, 2026, 1:46 pm
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I just wanted to say a public thank you to Mr Mustard here. His
advice and judgement throughout this protracted appeal have been
absolutely spot on. Haringey ignore the facts of their own
evidence and repeatedly made things up (and imaginary
enforcement protocol, anyone?), it appears to scare me into
paying. Mr Mustard was certain they would fold eventually and
they did. It also meant I got make a small donation to the North
London Hospice, which was pleasure and a million time more
satisfying then paying Haringey’s speculative PCNs.
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