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#Post#: 80244--------------------------------------------------
Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 9, 2025, 8:03 am
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Hi,
I have two tickets given on different days for parking on the
same road.
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It is a CPZ and I had parked there and had an outdated paper
ticket on my dashboard.
My question is if because I had an outdated ticket, code 16
(without valid permit or clearly displaying vaild physical
permit) doesn't apply and it should be code 19 (invalid permit
or after expiry) in which case the ticket is invalid, or at
least the amount should be less since the fine for code 19 is
less because it is considered less serious as per here
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Thanks all for your help all the time.
#Post#: 80256--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 9, 2025, 10:03 am
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You've posted two NTOs. What happened after you saw the PCNs on
the windscreen?
#Post#: 80272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 9, 2025, 11:06 am
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I intended to post here for advice (actually started to draft)
but didn't get round to it and missed the first deadline.
I live nearby but make sure to have my car away by 8 when the
restriction comes in. The attendant recognised my car, so knew
it would be a good target after he had issued one the day
before.
#Post#: 80282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 9, 2025, 11:41 am
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Both NTOs are dated 13 June so you need to put in reps quickly
or pay as otherwise they'll just slap another £80 on each.
What's the story - why did you leave the car in contravention
and what permit did you have as something seems to be on
display.
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#Post#: 80284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 9, 2025, 11:54 am
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Thanks for getting the images.
Agree I have to be quick here.
There is a paper permit (the scratchcard ones) from a different
day, so practically expired.
This is usually where I park at night and I try to move away my
car in the morning at 8 but it can happen that I am delayed.
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Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 9, 2025, 3:30 pm
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What day was the scratchcard for. But a voucher valid for a day
or part of a day is not really qualifying for a code 19 in my
view - it's not like an expired resident's permit and only
qualifying for a code 19 on the day of expiry. But I could be
wrong.
Your best bet is to try though and dope they offer the
discounted penalties on rejection.
Or just say it was an oversight and could you please settle both
at discount.
#Post#: 80341--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 9, 2025, 5:28 pm
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The day on the scratchcard wasn't near to the date of the
alleged contravention.
I have already had in the past received a PCN with code 19 due
to having an expired paper permit on the dashboard.
It would be interesting if it is challengeable, as code 16 does
require the permit to be 'valid'.
Do I have anything to lose if they reject my representation or
will it stay at the £160?
#Post#: 80349--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 9, 2025, 6:02 pm
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One PCN was dated the 12th so had to send a rep tonight for the
first NTO.
Following is what I sent:
--- Quote ---
> I live on Hillside Road and had a virtual resident permit but
this expired. The attendant therefore issued this pcn and was
quick to issue another one the next day PCN ZN1686446A The PCNs
were issued under code 16 ("Parked in a permit space without
displaying a valid permit"), however, as I had a paper permit
displayed — albeit expired — I believe code 19 ("Displaying an
invalid permit") would have been more appropriate. The penalty
charge for code 19 is also lower. am the primary carer for my
child who requires special care, and sometimes in the morning I
must prioritise his needs, which can cause me to lose track of
time. I usually move the vehicle before the 8:00 AM restriction
but unfortunately was unable to do so on these days.
> It took time until I got it, but I now have the care at home
permit ZNX******* to park.
> I am under stress and missed the first deadline for the
representations and the discount.
> In light of the above I would ask if you could cancel both
PCNs, or at least we could settle on code 19 and the discount
period amount?
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 80389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: september
Date: July 10, 2025, 5:31 am
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Hi,
Today is the end of the 28 days for the second NTO dated the 13
June.
Could anyone advise or give feedback on my representation in my
previous post, or I could just copy and paste the same text.
Thanks again
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Re: Haringey, Code 16 Parked in CPZ without valid permit
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: July 10, 2025, 6:47 am
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They can't reissue the PCN as a different contravention.
I would leave out the second bit and just say:
In light of the above I would kindly ask if you could cancel
both PCNs.
They almost certainly won't but may well offer the discounts.
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