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Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: bumper31
Date: July 7, 2025, 2:06 pm
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Great forum BTW -
I have a ULEZ compliant leased vehicle (as confirmed by the TFL
website), TFL have erroneously sent ULEZ PCNs that my lease
company have automatically paid.
They emailed to tell me 6 weeks after the fact, which seems to
be outside of a 28day period to challenge.
If I have a ULEZ compliant car that should never have had a PCN,
is there a course of action here?
TIA
Bumper
#Post#: 79991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 7, 2025, 3:10 pm
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I presume the lease company are proposing to pass the cost of
the PCNs onto you?
Do you have any idea why TFL may have issued PCNs if their
system confirms your vehicle is compliant? If it's their error
the best route may be to try and shame TFL into refunding the
money somehow.
#Post#: 79992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: bumper31
Date: July 7, 2025, 3:31 pm
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Thanks for the reply.
The lease company just paid the fines, they will charge me £200
for the privilege, including their charges.
They had then let me know 6 weeks later.
I am hoping to contact both the lease company and TFL tomorrow,
I was just looking if there is some recourse here?
I have a horrible feeling TFL will just say tough.
#Post#: 79993--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 7, 2025, 3:33 pm
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What are the relevant clauses in yr contract with the lease
co.about fines and penalties?
#Post#: 79994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: mickR
Date: July 7, 2025, 3:38 pm
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have you recently put a private reg on it?
#Post#: 80019--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 8, 2025, 1:45 am
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'have you recently put a private reg on it?
Is something we see often, but...
....Given the strict rules around number plates, that the OP
isn't the registered keeper and that they didn't mention this..I
hope not!
OP, IMO just take this in slow time. You presumably still have
the car. So:
1. If you enter the zone again make sure you pay any charges, do
not accumulate more PCNs to dispute;
2. Write to TfL and simply say that you have a car on lease and
were assured by the lease company that it is ULEZ compliant as
regards present rules. However, an issue has arisen and you need
confirmation on this point therefore would they confirm whether
VRM **** (give further details as necessary) is compliant for
the purposes of ULEZ regulations.
By all means write to your lease company, note their belated
notification, tell them that you believe TfL were in error by
issuing the penalty charge notices and that as this affects your
use of the car you are taking the matter up directly with TfL.
Should they receive any further PCNs, then they should seek to
transfer liability which is standard procedure provided for and
explained in the PCN. You will keep them posted regarding
progress.
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Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: bumper31
Date: July 8, 2025, 6:56 am
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Thanks for your replies....
I have been making phone calls.
First to Lease company who told me to speak to TFL, then to TFL
who said as it was the lease company who paid the PCN I can't
challenge it without the lease company writing to them to deal
with me.
:'(
I asked hypothetically whether the charges could be challenged
and they seemed to think they could....
So back to the lease company, and they are passing it to their
claims team, so it is a waiting game.....
I have tried to pay any current charges for this weekend gone,
but ironically the TFL website won't let me as it is exempt >:(
I suppose, at least I haven't hit a "Computer says nah"
scenario........yet
Finally, yes I put a private plate on about 6 weeks before, in
cooperation with the Lease company, so I suspect TFL's db takes
a while to update
Bumper
#Post#: 80072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 8, 2025, 7:01 am
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> Finally, yes I put a private plate on about 6 weeks before, in
cooperation with the Lease company, so I suspect TFL's db takes
a while to update
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In all likelihood, this is your problem, which is now much more
difficult to resolve because the lease company paid the PCNs
without telling you.
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Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: July 8, 2025, 7:53 am
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--- Quote from: bumper31 link ---
>
>
> Finally, yes I put a private plate on about 6 weeks before, in
cooperation with the Lease company, so I suspect TFL's db takes
a while to update
>
>
--- End Quote ---
That's the root cause. There is a time-lag within the DVLA
between your private reg going live on the car and the emissions
data being updated. And add to that the TFL database is only
updated once every four weeks from the DVLA, for emissions data.
And sometimes the emissions data doesn't update at all within
the DVLA.
TFL have a manual registration process
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/compliance-registration/before-you-start<br
/>to deal with this. You will need the V5c with the new reg and
either a letter from the vehicle manufacturer's homologation
department stating the vehicle's Euro standard or a conformity
certificate. Although they have been known to accept the
original V5c instead since the VIN numbers should be identical.
Some manufacturers will charge for the certificate and some are
FOC.
If the TFL online checker
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/
now says
the car with the revised reg is compliant then it means the TFL
database has been updated.
You could ask the Lease company for a letter authorising you to
act on their behalf in respect of the ULEZ PCNs. You can then
write to and demand that TFL refund the penalty charges on the
grounds that the car was always exempt. TFL might also refuse
and say it was up to you check on the ULEZ checker before you
drove into the zone.
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Re: Leased vehicle ULEZ PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 8, 2025, 9:40 am
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IMO, you don't complain, challenge or demand, you simply
enquire.
I am a motorist; an issue has arisen regarding your VRM(*****,
as can be seen it's a personalised plate albeit a leased car)
and you would appreciate confirmation as to whether this is
recognised as ULEZ compliant and when this classification became
effective on the ULEZ database.
This is simply stage 1 in a several stage extra-procedural(as
regards Road User procedures) process.
One step at a time.
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