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#Post#: 79897--------------------------------------------------
Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J Stopped
on restricted bus stop
DIR By: subs187
Date: July 7, 2025, 7:43 am
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Hi
The driver of the vehicle received a PCN with contravention 47J
stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand (approved device)
The driver was dropping a passenger and there are no other
places to stop as the road is a dual carriageway and a council
camera vehicle must have driven past and taken the images.
The location on the PCN is incorrect and there is no road with
that name in the city and therefore no bus stop exists at the
location stated on the pcn.
Would the wrong location succeed on appeal and are there any
other grounds for appeal such as approved device vehicle etc.
Thanks
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#Post#: 79913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Approved Device Council PCN Contravention 47J Stopped on
restricted bus stop
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 7, 2025, 8:05 am
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Sorry, but you've blanked out far too much. Please unblank PCN
Number, car registration and council.
#Post#: 81008--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: subs187
Date: July 14, 2025, 8:12 pm
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Anyone able to help?
#Post#: 81029--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 15, 2025, 4:09 am
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--- Quote from: subs187 link ---
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> Anyone able to help?
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wrong location is normally a fatal error on a PCN, but if the
street name on the PCN is similar, (so 'lane' might be 'street'
or 'avenue' then an error like this may be allowed by an
adjudicator. So where was the vehicle actually parked ? If
totally different, then take them to the adjudicators. But first
you must submit representations to Bradford, on the basis of the
contravention did not occur, incorrect location.
#Post#: 81060--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 15, 2025, 6:26 am
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+1 So where was the vehicle actually parked ?
#Post#: 81079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: subs187
Date: July 15, 2025, 7:59 am
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The location on the PCN is not even within the council
boundaries. Google search of location stated on the PCN is in
another town outside the councils jurisdiction.
#Post#: 81081--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 15, 2025, 8:05 am
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Pl answer the question, what was the name of the street where
the vehicle was parked? We need this if only to look at GSV.
#Post#: 81120--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: subs187
Date: July 15, 2025, 9:55 am
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I believe from the images it was Mayo Avenue, Bradford
#Post#: 81128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 15, 2025, 10:29 am
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--- Quote from: subs187 link ---
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> I believe from the images it was Mayo Avenue, Bradford
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--- End Quote ---
And here is the bus stop on Mayo Avenue, although GSV labels it
A6177
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/DNYUAeV32QXLthz9A
So the PCN is so wildly out in its stated location of
contravention as to be void. Obviously, because it is taken from
a moving vehicle, they have got the location completely wrong.
If it had been a fixed camera, you'd be in much worse situation.
ALl you have to do is submit representations that you were not
parked on any part of Brooklands Lane at the time and date of
the alleged contravention. You therefore request that the PCN be
cancelled forthwith. Don't tell them the actual location, they
can find out for themselves but cannot issue a second PCN.
#Post#: 81130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bradford Council Approved Device PCN Contravention 47J
Stopped on restricted bus stop
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 15, 2025, 10:34 am
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The driver of the vehicle received a PCN with contravention 47J
stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand (approved device)
Therefore the driver is the RK, so why refer to 'the driver' as
if a separate entity(overtones of private parking charge notice
jargon here)?
If you are the RK but not the driver then the driver shouldn't
have the PCN, it's for the RK to action. They could make reps to
the effect that the vehicle was hired or similar (after all it
is a PHV/taxi) if applicable and therefore relieve themselves of
liability completely, or accept procedural liability and make
reps on other grounds.
We've seen a couple of threads jeopardised recently for want of
knowing who's who and unauthorised persons attempting to make
reps.
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