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       #Post#: 79771--------------------------------------------------
       PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: jamapple123
       Date: July 6, 2025, 8:27 am
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       Hi All,
       The driver was driving on Ilford Lane on 29/05/25. The driver
       approached the box junction with the clear intention to proceed
       through it only if the exit was clear. At the time the driver
       entered the box, they observed that the vehicle in front was
       moving and there appeared to be sufficient space to clear the
       junction. However, unexpectedly and without any prior
       indication, a van in front of the car stopped and began a
       reverse parking manoeuvre into a space on the left-hand side of
       the road.
       This forced the car directly in front to stop abruptly within
       the junction, which in turn caused the driver to become
       temporarily stationary within the box junction. This situation
       arose after the driver had already committed to entering the
       junction, based on the assumption of continued movement by the
       vehicles ahead.
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       The following appeal was made after receiving this notice:
       Subject: Formal Representation Against PCN for Box Junction –
       PCN Number [xxxxxx]
       Dear Sir/Madam,
       I am writing to formally contest the issuance of the Penalty
       Charge Notice (PCN) [Insert PCN Number], dated [Insert Date],
       which alleges that my vehicle stopped in a yellow box junction
       on Ilford Lane, Redbridge.
       I respectfully request that this charge be reviewed and
       cancelled based on the following mitigating circumstances, which
       are clearly supported by the video and photographic evidence
       provided by Redbridge Council.
       On the day in question, I approached the box junction on Ilford
       Lane with the clear intention to proceed through it only if my
       exit was clear, in accordance with Rule 174 of the Highway Code,
       which states:
       “You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is
       clear.”
       At the time I entered the box, I observed that the vehicle in
       front of me (a car) was moving and there appeared to be
       sufficient space for me to clear the junction. However,
       unexpectedly and without any prior indication, a van in front of
       the car stopped and began a reverse parking manoeuvre into a
       space on the left-hand side of the road.
       This forced the car directly in front of me to stop abruptly
       within the junction, which in turn caused me to become
       temporarily stationary within the box junction. This situation
       arose after I had already committed to entering the junction,
       based on the assumption of continued movement by the vehicles
       ahead.
       The obstruction caused by the van’s reverse parking manoeuvre
       was unforeseeable and occurred after I had entered the box. This
       is a crucial point as I did not enter the box recklessly or
       without regard for the rules, but rather due to circumstances
       outside of my control.
       Compliance with Rule 174 of the Highway Code:
       Rule 174 allows for reasonable judgment to be made at the time
       of entry into the junction. I entered the box believing the exit
       was clear, which satisfies the requirement of the rule. The fact
       that a vehicle in front stopped unexpectedly due to a third
       vehicle's manoeuvre should be considered a mitigating factor and
       not a deliberate or negligent act on my part.
       The CCTV/video footage provided by Redbridge Council
       corroborates my explanation. It clearly shows the van’s
       manoeuvre and the chain of events that led to my vehicle
       becoming stationary in the box junction. I urge the reviewing
       officer to consider this visual evidence alongside my
       explanation.
       According to the Department for Transport’s Operational Guidance
       to local authorities on enforcing moving traffic contraventions,
       enforcement should be “fair and proportionate” and not used to
       penalise motorists who are caught in situations they could not
       reasonably predict or avoid. This applies directly to my case.
       Given the exceptional circumstances and the fact that the
       contravention was not due to any deliberate or negligent action
       on my part, I believe this PCN has been issued unfairly and
       should be cancelled. I acted responsibly and in accordance with
       the Highway Code, and the obstruction that caused the stop was
       entirely beyond my control.
       I would appreciate your fair and reasonable consideration of
       this representation, and I respectfully request the cancellation
       of the PCN.
       ____________________________________________________________________________________
       All supporting docs including initial PCN, Rejection and Image
       and video of incident:
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       />- NOTE: Drivers car is car in dark blue (AUDI A5)
       Please advise what should the driver do in this situation.
       Your help is much appreciated.
       #Post#: 79775--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: July 6, 2025, 8:46 am
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       Not sure about this - you should still have waited for the car
       ahead to give you a space especially as you were stationary at
       the edge of the box.
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       #Post#: 79790--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: jamapple123
       Date: July 6, 2025, 10:06 am
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       --- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
       >
       > Not sure about this - you should still have waited for the car
       ahead to give you a space especially as you were stationary at
       the edge of the box.
       >
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       thanks for the response. At that time I didn't notice the van
       wanted to park to the left. That is essentially what caused the
       issue. Also as per the video the van was indicating to park but
       my focus was on the car coming out of the junction as I wanted
       to see he was coming out or not.
       In any case if others feel I have no grounds for further appeal
       I will have to bite the bullet and take this one on the chin :(
       #Post#: 79801--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: MrChips
       Date: July 6, 2025, 12:36 pm
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       This is an unfortunate one - your exit was apparently clear and
       you had the right of way. The other car, unsurprisingly, took
       the opportunity to turn in but by that time you were already
       mostly committed to moving across the junction. A harsh
       adjudicator might say that's tough, a kinder one might feel
       sympathy.
       Redbridge PCNs are also very vague as to location, this says
       Ilford Lane which is about 1 mile long with numerous junctions
       and more than one box junction.  The PCN recipient should be
       given enough information to know where the alleged offence took
       place.
       #Post#: 79828--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: mickR
       Date: July 6, 2025, 3:47 pm
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       hmm no stationary vehicles when the OP entered the box.
       #Post#: 79836--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: MrChips
       Date: July 6, 2025, 4:36 pm
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       Alas I don't think that's relevant, it's whether there are any
       stationary vehicles that prevent you leaving the box junction
       that's important.  But the state of play upon entry is relevant
       and the exit is clear, if one allows for the realities of
       reaction time.
       #Post#: 79837--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: July 6, 2025, 4:57 pm
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       This is one where we would have once hoped the authority would
       use discretion owing to the expectation of normal traffic flow,
       and indeed the old Hammersmith & Fulham guidance included this
       type of situation as worthy. But those days have gone.
       This doesn't mean an adjudicator may not find for you - here are
       two that are relevant and involve pedestrians beyond the vehicle
       in front whereas in your case the reversing van is the cause.
       The first also turns on the wording in the legislation of
       vehicles (plural) not vehicle (singular).
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       Case reference 2240416752
       Appellant Anisha Patel
       Authority London Borough of Waltham Forest
       VRM DC23AVG
       PCN Details
       PCN FR62861981
       Contravention date 25 Jun 2024
       Contravention time 16:26:00
       Contravention location Lea Bridge Road / Argall Way
       Penalty amount GBP 130.00
       Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
       Referral date -
       Decision Date 03 Dec 2024
       Adjudicator Belinda Pearce
       Appeal decision Appeal allowed
       Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Enforcement
       Notice.
       Reasons 1. The Enforcement Authority assert that the said
       vehicle entered and stopped on a location subject to an
       operative restriction denoted by yellow cross-hatching, such
       demarcation indicating a prohibition against a vehicle entering
       and remaining stationary within the defined area due to the
       presence of stationary vehicles.
       2. The Appellant denies liability for the ensuing Penalty Charge
       Notice on the basis of the prevailing circumstances and
       challenges as comprehensively stated in her written
       representations, supported by annotated images and freeze
       frames.
       3. The Enforcement Authority who assert that the said vehicle
       was so driven contrary to the operative restriction are obliged
       to adduce evidence to the requisite standard to substantiate
       that assertion:-
       The evidence upon which the Enforcement Authority rely comprises
       the certified copy Penalty Charge Notice together with
       contemporaneous photographic evidence: CCTV footage and still
       frames taken there-from revealing the said vehicle in situ and
       the applicable carriageway markings notifying motorists of the
       prohibition.
       It is incumbent upon a motorist to be acquainted with [by
       reference to The Highway Code], and comply with, such
       prohibitions.
       4.The prohibition, as set out in The Traffic Signs Regulations &
       General Directions 2016 prohibits vehicles (or parts there-of)
       from entering and stopping within the cross-hatched area due to
       the presence of stationary vehicles.
       There is no requirement that the vehicle be causing an
       obstruction.
       There is no minimum period since a vehicle is in contravention
       immediately it is stationary.
       There is no minimum portion of a vehicle since any stationary
       part thereof is subject to contravention.
       5. The contemporaneous photographic capture was examined
       (repeatedly) to evaluate the allegation in conjunction with the
       Appellant's representations and supporting documents.
       6. The Appellant described the sequence of events in relation to
       the traffic flow and vehicles ahead, and her calculation as to
       it continuing to move so as to accommodate the said vehicle on
       the right-hand side of the box.
       In order to satisfy myself that a contravention occurred I must
       establish that the said vehicle entered and stopped on the box
       junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
       With the benefit of rewind and freeze frame it is evident that
       the traffic flow was halted, as is borne out by the footage, by
       pedestrians crossing the road beyond the vehicle ahead of the
       said vehicle; the said vehicle was not thereby caused to stop on
       the cross hatching by virtue of stationary vehicles, plural.
       Evidentially I am not satisfied that the contravention occurred,
       accordingly I allow this Appeal.
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       Case reference 2240519427
       Appellant Robert Wilson
       Authority London Borough of Redbridge
       VRM LY08OXM
       PCN Details
       PCN AF99198507
       Contravention date 20 Sep 2024
       Contravention time 22:31:00
       Contravention location Ilford Lane
       Penalty amount GBP 130.00
       Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
       Referral date -
       Decision Date 13 Feb 2025
       Adjudicator Anju Kaler
       Appeal decision Appeal allowed
       Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
       Reasons The contravention alleged is entering and stopping in a
       box junction when prohibited. The prohibition is contained in
       the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016,
       Schedule 19 Part 2 paragraph 6. This provides as follows.
       7. (1) Except when placed in the circumstances described in
       paragraph 8, the road markings shown in diagrams 1043 and 1044
       shall each convey the prohibition that no person shall cause a
       vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to
       stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary
       vehicles.
       The CCTV footage shows the vehicle drive behind another that
       stops to let pedestrians walk across the road. The Appellant,
       who was in the car behind, could not have anticipated that the
       car in front would come to a halt, leaving a large gap in front
       for several seconds. The Appellant’s path was clear up until
       that moment.
       Additionally, the Appellant’s vehicle came to a stop in the box
       for three seconds at the most; that is insufficiently long to
       establish that a contravention has occurred.
       #Post#: 79842--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: jamapple123
       Date: July 6, 2025, 6:32 pm
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       Lucky for me I know exactly where it was.
       It's here:
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       Outside a shop called BB fatima. And the road to the left is
       Cecil road. Note that on Google Street view you can't see any
       box junction painted as these where added by the council only a
       few months ago, as we all know just to take more of our hard
       earned £
       #Post#: 79843--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: jamapple123
       Date: July 6, 2025, 6:35 pm
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       Thanks for this.
       Is it worth me appealing again or should I just pay the fine.
       Apparently if I do go ahead and appeal and if I loose then I am
       liable for the full penalty and not the discounted rate of £80
       Thanks all for the replies so far.
       #Post#: 79851--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN Redbridge council - Box Junction
   DIR By: mickR
       Date: July 7, 2025, 3:32 am
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       --- Quote from: MrChips link ---
       >
       > Alas I don't think that's relevant, it's whether there are any
       stationary vehicles that prevent you leaving the box junction
       that's important.  But the state of play upon entry is relevant
       and the exit is clear, if one allows for the realities of
       reaction time.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       has there been a change to the argument that the contravention
       states "causing a vehicle to enter the box" and stop due to
       stationary vehicles? I thought it was a winning point that  if
       there were no stationary vehicles when entering the box the
       contravention is not made out?
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