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#Post#: 79453--------------------------------------------------
S.172/NIP – Work Pressuring Wife to Sign Someone Else's Notice
DIR By: Hellfire8
Date: July 3, 2025, 2:17 pm
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Bit of a weird one, hoping for advice.
My wife works at a care home and often drives vehicles belonging
to the adults she cares for (insured through work). One of those
vehicles (registered to a parent of a resident) received a NIP/
S.172.
That notice was sent to the parent, but instead of completing
it, the parent insists the care home should do it. The care
home, in turn, told my wife to complete and sign it, naming
herself as the driver.
But:
- The notice is not addressed to her.
- The car is not registered to the care home — it's a private
vehicle.
- The parent is misreading the form, thinking the “secretary of
the company” clause applies, but it doesn’t — this isn’t a
company vehicle.
I've advised my wife not to complete it since it's not addressed
to her. The proper route is:
- The parent should complete it and name her.
- Then she'd get her own NIP/S.172 to respond to.
Her employer is repeatedly pressuring her to sign the parents'
NIP.
Questions:
- She's right to refuse, yeah? Completing someone else’s S.172
would be a legal risk.
- Can her employer discipline her for refusing? (She has over 2
years’ service.)
I get that delays might cost her the chance for a SAC, but it
doesn’t feel safe or legal to fill out something addressed to
someone else.
Cheers.
#Post#: 79455--------------------------------------------------
Re: S.172/NIP – Work Pressuring Wife to Sign Someone Else's
Notice
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: July 3, 2025, 2:54 pm
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The requirement is for the addressee of the notice to reply.
That can be delegated, so there is nothing unlawful in your wife
completing the nomination on behalf of the addressee. If your
wife was driving, it seems to be in her best interests to do so
if she wants to be in time for a course.
Of course, she could just not return it at all and the addressee
will face prosecution for the s 172 offence (unless the police
send them a reminder notice and they return that).
#Post#: 79456--------------------------------------------------
Re: S.172/NIP – Work Pressuring Wife to Sign Someone Else's
Notice
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: July 3, 2025, 2:55 pm
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This is a motoring law forum, not an employment law forum!
Obvious question is whether she was the culprit, or whether she
is being pressured to carry the can for someone else. Or
somewhere inbetween.
You appear to have avoided troubling us with such mudane
details, preferring to tell us that she often drives the vehicle
and is insured to do so, which is about as relevant as how many
sugars she has in her coffee.
--- Quote from: Hellfire8 link ---
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> I've advised my wife not to complete it since it's not
addressed to her. The proper route is:
>
>
>
- The parent should complete it and name her.
>
- Then she'd get her own NIP/S.172 to respond to.
>
--- End Quote ---
That would be "proper". You may note that "proper" has the same
meaning that it does in the Road Traffic Act 1988 - which is to
say none whatsoever.
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> Questions:
>
>
>
- She's right to refuse, yeah? Completing someone else’s S.172
would be a legal risk.
>
- Can her employer discipline her for refusing? (She has over 2
years’ service.)
>
.
>
--- End Quote ---
Your first question appears at the very least to be a loaded
one. You do agree with me, don't you? Followed by a statement.
You might note that I do not refer to it as a "statement of
fact" as, on the face of it, it is untrue except to the extent
that it is so vague as to be meaningless and therefore
transcends veracity.
What do you mean by "would be a legal risk"? And in what way
would completing someone else's form constitute such a risk?
Your second explicit question is an employment law question.
#Post#: 79465--------------------------------------------------
Re: S.172/NIP – Work Pressuring Wife to Sign Someone Else's
Notice
DIR By: disgruntchelt
Date: July 3, 2025, 3:56 pm
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You’ve not said if the NIP was for speeding or some other
traffic offence. Assuming it was for speeding:
If your wife was the driver and was covered on the insurance
then completing the form naming herself on the registered
keepers behalf carries no legal risk at all.
If she was not the driver then completing the form naming
herself could lead to a custodial sentence.
If she wasn’t insured then it’s probably advisable to complete
the form asap and respond to her own S172 promptly and not give
plod any reason to question what’s going on.
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