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Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Eoliver123
Date: June 30, 2025, 8:54 am
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Thank you so much for your help. Apologies, info added. The
bailiff is asking for £1075. I don't have that but if it's going
to increase then i can try to borrow that somehow. Do you think
it's most likely to increase and that's the best route? I can't
believe I've managed to get into this mess
--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> ..and we don't actually know to whom the forms were
submitted....
>
> PS. Your reference to TE and PE forms must mean either that
you don't know the procedures (in which case you might have
submitted forms to the council) or that more than a single PCN
is involved.
>
> We'll know when the documents are posted.
>
> IMO, if you have one or more Notice of Enforcement and you are
atill within the 7 days then PAY, otherwise you risk incurring
one or more additional fees @£235 a time.
>
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#Post#: 78926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 30, 2025, 11:17 am
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Looking at the complete mess that you are in, based on you not
updating your V5 Registraction Certificate for the car, I
strongly recommend you contact bailiff advice
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk.
Whether your circumstances described in your post make you a
'vulnerable person' I don't know but the above website will be
able to see what you might do to get the matter reverted to the
PCNs stage.
#Post#: 78951--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Neil B
Date: June 30, 2025, 1:05 pm
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We still don't know how you sent the TEforms? Post or e-mail?
For the other two PCNs you will need PEforms and they need
swearing/witnessing.
#Post#: 78969--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Eoliver123
Date: June 30, 2025, 2:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Looking at the complete mess that you are in, based on you not
updating your V5 Registraction Certificate for the car, I
strongly recommend you contact bailiff advice
> www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk.
> Whether your circumstances described in your post make you a
'vulnerable person' I don't know but the above website will be
able to see what you might do to get the matter reverted to the
PCNs stage.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you so much I will contact them
#Post#: 78976--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 30, 2025, 3:50 pm
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And asking again, what are the dates of the Notices of
Enforcement you've received from the 'bailiff' and what are the
latest dates for paying before £235 is added to EACH one?
IMO, pay them now. This would NOT affect your submissions to TEC
but would avoid the additional £705, at least for now.
#Post#: 78982--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 30, 2025, 4:26 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> And asking again, what are the dates of the Notices of
Enforcement you've received from the 'bailiff' and what are the
latest dates for paying before £235 is added to EACH one?
>
> IMO, pay them now. This would NOT affect your submissions to
TEC but would avoid the additional £705, at least for now.
>
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The enforcement agent (bailiff) can only add one charge of £235
even if the enforcement agent is enforcing more than one PCN,
which at first sight seems to be the case here.
The £235 charge can only be levied once. And appears to be
already levied in the £1075 currently demanded.
There are three PCNs with the bailiff, one for parking and two
moving traffic.
There should be one set of TE7 & TE9 forms for the parking PCN
and two sets of PE2 & PE3 forms for the moving traffic. Is that
what you sent to the TEC?
£130 = PCN
£65 = Charge Cert surcharge
£10 = Court registration
£75 = Bailiff Notice of Enforcement
£280 = sub-Total
£840 = 3 x PCNs @ £280 enforcement stage
+
£235 = bailiff enforcement visit fee
£1075 = Total (£840 + £235)
#Post#: 79043--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Eoliver123
Date: July 1, 2025, 6:33 am
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Thank you so much. I haven't directly received any letters from
the bailiff as they've been sent to our old address so I wasn't
aware of this until the new resident hand delivered one letter
to us on 13th May - that letter was blank next to 'date'. I've
asked the new residents about any other letters and they've just
shared three which are all dated 16th June 2025 and add up to
£1075.
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#Post#: 79052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 1, 2025, 6:54 am
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Enceladus's meticulous breakdown suggests that the £235 has
already been added.
OP, you can read the Bailiff Fees Regs here:
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/bailiff-fees/penalty-charge-notice-pcn
If you don't pay and your goods are seized, removed and sold at
auction then additional fees are added and you would be lucky to
get 50p in the pound.
Pay IMO. And contact BAO.
The more you procrastinate, the greater the risk you run of
further escalation. Payment has NO effect on any submissions to
TEC.
#Post#: 79054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: July 1, 2025, 7:12 am
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--- Quote from: Eoliver123 link ---
>
> Thank you so much. I haven't directly received any letters
from the bailiff as they've been sent to our old address so I
wasn't aware of this until the new resident hand delivered one
letter to us on 13th May - that letter was blank next to 'date'.
I've asked the new residents about any other letters and they've
just shared three which are all dated 16th June 2025 and add up
to £1075.
>
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None of the three demands, £280 + £280 + £515, are Notices of
Enforcement. They are non-statutory reminder notices. The one
for £515 comprises the £280 plus the one-off £235.
The notice with no date for £1075 is an advisory, it's the total
of the other three reminders.
My guess is that all the paperwork for the three PCNs was sent
to your old address. The bailiff's Notices of Enforcement were
sent to the old address. The bailiff attended your old address
to try and collect. Of course, you weren't there. But they still
levied the £235 charge.
To continue to try and collect, the Council will have to apply
to the TEC to have the warrant re-sealed with your current
address. And then the bailiff will have to send three new
Notices of Enforcement each giving you seven clear days to pay.
The Council will have your correct and current address because
it will be on the SDs, WS and OOTs you previously submitted. It
might have happened already.
@Bailiff Advice Have you had any advice from Bailiff Advice
Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
as yet?
#Post#: 79127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs attention today
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: July 1, 2025, 2:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Eoliver123 link ---
>
> Thank you so much. I haven't directly received any letters
from the bailiff as they've been sent to our old address so I
wasn't aware of this until the new resident hand delivered one
letter to us on 13th May.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for sending me copies of the Out of Time Application
forms. Unfortunately, like many other people in the same
position, your forms were sent in a rush and could well have
been improved. However, as discussed, once the forms have been
sent, it is too late to make amendments to them and it is now
just a matter of waiting for the applications to be considered
and a decision made.
As you have already spoken with the enforcement company, it is
very important that you also make them aware that you have a
newborn daughter and that you are on maternity leave. You are
therefore considered 'vulnerable' and a visit should not take
place.
I would also suggest that you ask the company to reissue fresh
Notice of Enforcements to you at your currant address. This is
most important as you would then be entitled to enter into a
payment arrangement without the visit fee of £235 being charged.
For anyone else reading this thread, if payment is made to an
enforcement agent (in order to avoid goods being removed) and,
an Out of Time application is then submitted, please be assured
that if the application is accepted, the enforcement company
should refund to you all monies paid. The Local Government
Ombudsman has ruled on this matter a number of times.
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