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#Post#: 78615--------------------------------------------------
Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: ellx_x
Date: June 28, 2025, 2:49 am
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Hi! I received a PCN for a prohibited left turn. I was wondering
if there are any grounds for representation in my case because
the pictures do show that the 'no left turn' sign was partially
blocked, at least from the angle of the camera. I never meant to
break the rules deliberately, I am a new-ish driver an I was a
bit lost late at night trying to get me and my friend back to
where we were staying (I don't live in London). It probably
explains why in the video I was indicating right before I turned
left, I clearly meant to turn left based on my positioning.
There are a few things I'm worried about. I am outside of the UK
until August so I'm worried that if I appeal, I would miss any
further correspondence and potentially miss new payment
deadlines if the appeal isn't accepted. I'm also not sure if I
appeal and it gets rejected, if I would still have the
opportunity to pay the 50% discounted charge, or if I would have
to pay the full charge?
Here's the Google street view:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/s27E4RfSj5xvqu7s9
The PCN front and back:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pcn-wa34p38
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pcn-back-PoI9QFv
Link to video:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oGBJKOHQpS8YU9gbJOeDlgB1Xau33utz/view?usp=sharing
I appreciate any help, thank you! :)
#Post#: 78626--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: Figaro
Date: June 28, 2025, 5:21 am
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I think you have solid grounds for the representation to be
accepted because the sign was obstructed by the scaffolding. If
I was you I would go back to the area and take pictures from the
angle of the driver.
#Post#: 78630--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 28, 2025, 5:33 am
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> I am outside of the UK until August so I'm worried that if I
appeal, I would miss any further correspondence and potentially
miss new payment deadlines if the appeal isn't accepted.
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Please give the dates of your trip.
Apart from paying, you can submit representations within the
discount period, to Westminster who will inevitably reject your
reps. They then normally re-offer the discount, or the option of
registering an appeal at London Tribunals. A period of 14 days
will be allowed to pay the discount, but I'm not sure how long
you get to either pay, (the full amount) or register an appeal
at LT.
From what I can see, you might manage it by submitting your reps
towards the end of the discount period. They then have to reply
which could be a week or a month, one never knows. They have
only erected a single sign, with nothing in the carriageway to
indicate a left turn. The scaffolding and "hut" looks to have
totally obscured their single sign.
#Post#: 78631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: ellx_x
Date: June 28, 2025, 5:40 am
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Thank you for replying! So I'm already away now and I won't be
back until the 10th of August.
Is it worth submitting a representation?
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Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 28, 2025, 1:16 pm
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--- Quote from: ellx_x link ---
>
> Thank you for replying! So I'm already away now and I won't be
back until the 10th of August.
>
> Is it worth submitting a representation?
>
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Ordinarly, it would be well worth submitting representations in
view of the obscuration of the sole LH turn only sign, but if
you've got nobody who can act for you whilst you are abroad, you
could end up missing their response, and having to pay the full
penalty
#Post#: 78695--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: Figaro
Date: June 28, 2025, 1:23 pm
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Because you're abroad you've to consider the psychological cost
that the uncertainty will bring. Is £80 worth the agony? Apart
from this I think that the case is easilly winnable. You can ask
your landlord or friend to check for the letter. If the flat is
yours then f of (joke) and just pay the £80.
#Post#: 78698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: June 28, 2025, 1:54 pm
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Make the representation on time on 17 july and then you can't
miss the 28 days to appeal by the time you are back even if the
rejection is instant, which it won't be.
#Post#: 78699--------------------------------------------------
Re: Westminster City Council, Code 50I Prohibited left turn,
Bickenhall Street - Baker Street
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 28, 2025, 2:00 pm
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EXACTLY.
BANG!
That's me shooting the 'what if I don't have time' hare. (which
Enceladus has already killed or mortally wounded).
PCN dated 18 June.
You may submit reps online from Westminster or Kazakhstan no
later than 17 July.
The earliest the council could respond is 18th July.
You would have a statutory 28 days in which to register an
appeal - bear in mind that you could be in Timbuktu for all the
system cares - which brings you to 15th August.
So, pl just get on and submit your reps no earlier than 14th
July.
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