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Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited
DIR By: mkdon
Date: June 27, 2025, 3:49 pm
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Hi
I got a ticket today for entering a box junction. It happened
as I turn right from brettenham road (which to has a box
junction at the junction). The gap between both is so short and
before I realised the light at turned red and got caught out.
Only bit of the back of my car was in the box and wasn't
obstructing any part of the side road nor preventing cars from
passing
Do i have any case? Also a car pulled up behind me immediately
so I couldn't reverse back out. I have video footage but not
sure how to download it as it's on the Waltham forest website..
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 27, 2025, 3:52 pm
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The link doesn't bring up the documents for me. If you provide
the PCN reference number and vehicles registration we can
usually access the video for you.
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: mkdon
Date: June 27, 2025, 4:13 pm
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Hi
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/GyhFwVe
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 27, 2025, 5:36 pm
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Looks like a contravention if a clear stop.
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: mkdon
Date: June 28, 2025, 3:13 am
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can i not argue that the tree on the left obscured the traffic
light was caught out suddenly? the car of infront of me? also
there was a car immediately behind and a cyclist pulling out
that prevented me being able to reverse out?
#Post#: 78623--------------------------------------------------
Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 28, 2025, 4:50 am
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How would any of those points negate the fact you must not enter
the box without your exit being clear?
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: mkdon
Date: June 28, 2025, 4:55 am
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Fair point.
To be honest I was caught off guard. I didnt realise lights had
turned red and assumed it was flowing traffic. It was only when
I got inside the box I notice car in front braking.
It's a really poor lay out. Not much of a gap between the two
box junction.
From the video is there anything I can argue or is it a open and
shut case?
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 28, 2025, 6:25 am
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I can't see any arguments on the basis of the video. That would
leave only a technical argument if the council have messed up in
some way.
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Re: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction
when prohibited
DIR By: mkdon
Date: June 29, 2025, 12:16 pm
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Yh. Well no harm in trying. At the very least buys me some
time. Im gana go with this appeal
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge
Notice issued for an alleged contravention at the yellow box
junction on Chingford Road at 15:12.09.
At the time, I was turning right from Brettenham Road onto
Chingford Road, which itself has a yellow box junction, and the
second yellow box on Chingford Road/Brookscroft appears within
just a few metres of completing the turn. This extremely short
distance offers little time to react or assess downstream
traffic conditions, particularly when visibility is compromised.
In this case, the traffic light on the left side of the main
road was heavily obscured by trees, and the car ahead of me was
travelling quickly. I thus had no reason to believe the lights
had changed or that traffic would suddenly halt. As I completed
my turn and entered the box, the vehicle ahead began braking
while I was already inside the yellow box, leaving me
momentarily caught behind it.
I brought my vehicle as close as safely possible to the car
ahead, but due to the size of my car, the rear portion of my car
remained just slightly within the yellow box. However, at no
point was I blocking or impeding the flow of any other vehicles,
allowing cars to turn in and from Brookscroft to Chingford Road
and vice versa. I understand the purpose of a yellow box
junction is to prevent obstruction—this was not the case in my
situation.
Furthermore, I was physically unable to reverse and clear the
box as there was a cyclist exiting Brookscroft road in the
yellow box already and a car had pulled up closely behind me on
the opposite side of the box.
This made reversing unsafe and impractical, leaving me with no
option but to wait a few seconds until the traffic began moving
again at 15:12:15—a delay of only 6 seconds, during which I
caused no disruption or hazard.
Given the combination of poor visibility, the close proximity of
back-to-back junctions, the behaviour of the car in front, and
the lack of obstruction caused, I believe this PCN was issued
under circumstances that fall outside the intended spirit of
enforcement. I kindly request that the penalty be reconsidered
and cancelled accordingly.
Please refer to the CCTV footage for confirmation of the above
facts, particularly the vehicle positions, lack of obstruction,
and timing.
Yours faithfully,
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