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Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The Town
EN2
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: June 27, 2025, 10:31 am
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Would like a sense check please. I’ve already appealed the PCN
and have received a notice of rejection, so moving ahead with
appealing at tribunal.
I looked at past successful tribunals at this location with
similar circumstances to my own and used the relevant ones in my
initial appeal to the council. Is there anything I’ve
overlooked? Would be grateful for a second pair of eyes please.
Front of PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jEN1eXPeDm82duUTeMxSDSA2vhjvmP9X/view?usp=drivesdk<br
/>
Back of PCN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d88W-E-LcWzAXsuyVcW4XDE1ihuKbrx6/view?usp=drivesdk
Date appeal was submitted - 20/05/25
My appeal text (using the maximum character limit allowed):
I wish it be noted there is no option to appeal here on the
legal grounds that there was "no contravention of a traffic
order or failure to comply with an indication on a sign" - which
are grounds on which I am appealing.
This box junction is on the other side of a bend, where a driver
approaching cannot reasonably be expected to know whether there
is traffic preventing clear passage beforehand, which are the
circumstances in this instance. Upon realising the close
proximity of the box junction, I continued to roll forward into
the space on the other side - as can be seen in the video
evidence. I stopped when I believed I was clear of the junction.
Looking out my right mirror, I could not see any road markings
for the exit of the junction as they had been worn away. Looking
out my left mirror, it appeared my rear tyres were in line with
the markings. I would have crept forward more otherwise.
The video evidence also shows me only stopped for 2 seconds,
which is legally insignificant.
Notice of rejection page 1
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MfMCHwNYrn6Ud9SXs6BA3CqUhrYG4U-Q/view?usp=drivesdk
Notice of rejection page 2
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Az1L7iUORxYSZm_tskSnD6ONvuO15g3D/view?usp=drivesdk
One thing extra I will address in my tribunal appeal is a
response to the statement in the Notice of Rejection that they
consider my approach to the box junction to be from Southbury
Road. This is incorrect as can be seen from the video evidence,
as I was travelling on London Road and turned right into
Southbury Road/The Town where I was immediately met with the box
junction. It’s impossible to complete the right turn without
crossing the box junction.
Google Streetview of location
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/AsPvJNJHPfHUHuNZ6
Any errors in my appeal, or anything I’ve omitted that could be
flagged would be greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 78563--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 27, 2025, 11:47 am
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Please also post the video, which is the evidence.
#Post#: 78578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 27, 2025, 1:20 pm
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Apart from anything else, the location on the PCN seems wrong.
You stopped in the box junction on Southbury Road, not the one
on The Town (the smaller one just before).
#Post#: 78587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: June 27, 2025, 2:53 pm
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I looked at the location for which the council are the naming
authority and I think it is correct
#Post#: 78592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 27, 2025, 3:29 pm
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I bow to your vast experience, but am slightly surprised as
there is a sign on the wall of Lloyds Bank, adjacent with where
the OP stopped, saying Southbury Road.
#Post#: 78593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: June 27, 2025, 3:44 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Please also post the video, which is the evidence.
>
--- End Quote ---
Apologies - I assumed the evidence would be viewed on the
website given on the PCN. I’ve taken a screen recording as there
doesn’t appear to be a way for me to download it.
Video evidence
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fsorl29J9dgJXDZnfQv8b-JL1yjCrItE/view?usp=drivesdk
#Post#: 78597--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: MachineGunJoe
Date: June 27, 2025, 3:54 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I bow to your vast experience, but am slightly surprised as
there is a sign on the wall of Lloyds Bank, adjacent with where
the OP stopped, saying Southbury Road.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your suggestion, but the location is indeed correct.
Bizarrely, the left side of the road is Southbury Road. The
right side is The Town. If you look at the street view on the
right side, you’ll see the address written on number 36. The box
junction technically spans both roads.
#Post#: 78600--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: mickR
Date: June 27, 2025, 4:25 pm
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that is correct
#Post#: 78601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 27, 2025, 4:33 pm
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How odd! I'm relatively local as well...
By bizarre coincidence, my very first introduction to Pepipoo
involved a PCN I received on The Town (the bit before the
junction near Barclays). The experts helped me get off as the
loading bay dimensions didn't tally with the traffic order :)
#Post#: 78603--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The
Town EN2
DIR By: mickR
Date: June 27, 2025, 5:07 pm
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yes bizzare "the town" starts at barclays next to the market
place and basically encompasses the properties facing the
fountain. with the odd exception of 2 or 3 with "the town"
address which are opposite Lloyds bank, which despite having a
"southbury road" sign on the wall its address is 1 silver street
:o :(
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