DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
  HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       *****************************************************
   DIR Return to: Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so ...
       *****************************************************
       #Post#: 7248--------------------------------------------------
       Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
   DIR By: rojiar22
       Date: October 11, 2023, 5:06 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Hi, I am hoping for some advice about a recent PCN that I
       received for driving through a bus gate. I often go to this road
       to park for my regular hospital appointment as the hospital
       parking gets full. I was looking for parking spot on my
       appointment date and didn't realise this new restriction has
       been added. The sign is not very clear for a No-Entry road,
       especially since Satnav had not been updated yet Once I went
       through the sign and realised, I immediately went to the first
       safe place and turned around. So technically I didn’t use the
       road even though I went through the gate.
       I would like to know if there is any grounds for appeal based on
       the gate being very new AND me being a blue badge holder and
       that road being the closest place to park as the hospital was
       full?
       Also, the code says 33B which is for buses ONLY but the sign is
       for buses and bicycles – can that mean anything for making the
       PCN invalid?
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/FEbe2WrkRqrQM1bH6
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/jBJGtFq.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/xj2R4EW.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/EpKEsMu.jpeg
       #Post#: 7255--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: October 11, 2023, 5:49 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       There's another thread running on this new bus gate. A tyical
       move to make money dressed up by council b**lsh*t as an
       improvement : -
  HTML https://letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/nmh-ati?tool=qanda#:~:text=The%20proposals%20feature%20a%20two,modal%20filter%20at%20Amersham%20Avenue
       Your GSV link doesn't seem to take you anywhere near Bull Lane.
       GSV is not up-to-date, so doesn't show the bus gate, nor any
       advance warning signs.  If you want to fight this one, we really
       need to see what advance warning is given. Of course you could
       submit representations on the lines of being a patient at the
       hospital.
       Just read the absolute bu+lsh*t here : -
  HTML https://letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/nmh-ati/news_feed/bull-lane-bus-gate#:~:text=The%20bus%20gate%20at%20the,gate%20location%20will%20be%20removed.
       #Post#: 7390--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: October 13, 2023, 6:22 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       The signs look very clear and you'll really struggle on the
       question of adequacy, they look more than adequate.
       Video:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTFizaHpH8
       I've asked for the traffic order for now.
       #Post#: 10093--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Enfield, code 33B bus lane, N18 Bull Lane Bus gate
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: November 13, 2023, 1:39 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Here's The Enfield (Prescribed Routes) (No. 4) Traffic Order
       2023
  HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1JJxDMrORbnm0CW073kDLljuU0Bbto6pa,<br
       />it has some interesting drafting:
       [indent]
       “the Bull Lane bus gate” means that part of Bull Lane situated
       between a point 2.5 metres south of the northern kerb-line of
       the entrance to the yard outside No. 22 Bull Lane and a point
       14.2 metres south of the southern kerb-line of that entrance.
       [/indent]
       That suggests that the bus gate starts roughly halfway across
       the entrance to the yard, which is quite obviously more than 2.5
       metres wide:
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/37oP7dmDwZDrtgei9
       but that's not where the signs are situated.
       Did you submit a representation?
       *****************************************************
       Page 1 of 1