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#Post#: 77797--------------------------------------------------
Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: stickit2theman
Date: June 23, 2025, 3:20 pm
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what's the best way to Bat off this Joke?? Many thanks if you
can help
Location pic
HTML https://i.ibb.co/YFNR505h/ticket-more.png
PCN back
HTML https://i.ibb.co/8D9ThRd4/airport-2.jpg
PCN Front
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Y7w5nz2v/airport-1.jpg
#Post#: 77810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: June 23, 2025, 4:30 pm
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I have deleted those images - it may be wise to redact your full
name, home address and PCN number from them before uploading to
a public forum.
Once you re-upload we can advise on an appeal. It will almost
certainly be rejected, and the IAS will likewise prove useless,
but you'll have a much stronger chance if they try to escalate
to court.
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Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: stickit2theman
Date: June 24, 2025, 1:47 am
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Thanks now edited.
Likely to fail?! what was I supposed to do smash through the
barrier?!
Also what is IAS btw??
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Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: jfollows
Date: June 24, 2025, 3:33 am
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--- Quote from: stickit2theman link ---
>
> Thanks now edited.
>
> Likely to fail?! what was I supposed to do smash through the
barrier?!
>
> Also what is IAS btw??
>
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The Independent Appeals Service, by name but not in reality,
HTML https://theias.org/appeal.
If you research this forum you will
find that it upholds 4% of appeals.
You will also find the normal appeal recommended for VCS at
Bristol Airport, for example if you search for “VCS Bristol”. It
won’t be accepted but it sets out your stall for the process you
must follow.
What is “btw”, by the way?
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Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: stickit2theman
Date: June 24, 2025, 4:14 am
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--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
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> [quote author=stickit2theman link=topic=6953.msg77827#msg77827
date=1750747671]
> Thanks now edited.
>
> Likely to fail?! what was I supposed to do smash through the
barrier?!
>
> Also what is IAS btw??
>
--- End Quote ---
The Independent Appeals Service, by name but not in reality,
HTML https://theias.org/appeal.
If you research this forum you will
find that it upholds 4% of appeals.
You will also find the normal appeal recommended for VCS at
Bristol Airport, for example if you search for “VCS Bristol”. It
won’t be accepted but it sets out your stall for the process you
must follow.
What is “btw”, by the way?
[/quote]
got it thanks, yes btw = by the way
I have seen in another post by b789 that not idenntifying the
driver is a gaurenteed win???
is there no defence in saying you had to stop at the barrier?
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Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: b789
Date: June 24, 2025, 4:45 am
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This will end when the claim that is issued is either
discontinued or struck out. However you will need to follow the
advice.
For now, simply follow this advice:
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Charge Notice to Keeper (CNtK)) to reveal the identity of
the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The operator cannot rely on PoFA which means that if the unknown
driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the
charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the registered keeper. VCS cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, VCS will
be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because
Bristol Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Bristol Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because VCS is not the
Airport owner and your 'Charge Notice' is not and never attempts
to be a penalty. It is created for VCS's own profit (as opposed
to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and VCS has
relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver
only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your CNtK can only hold the driver liable.
VCS have no hope should you try to litigate this matter, so you
are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel
the PCN.
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#Post#: 78000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: June 24, 2025, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: stickit2theman link ---
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> Likely to fail?! what was the driver supposed to do smash
through the barrier?!
>
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Parking companies routinely reject appeals because there's no
profit in accepting them.
However, assuming the driver had no choice than to stop for the
barrier then any alleged contract should be void for
impossibility. They may also be in breach of their own CoP
6.3d, "images generated by ANPR or CCTV have been subject to a
manual quality control check".
It appears the check didn't notice the barrier. But I think
it's a fair question to ask as to whether the driver should have
smashed through the barrier to avoid a PCN being issued...
#Post#: 78038--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bristol airport stopping fine... for stopping at a barrier?
DIR By: b789
Date: June 24, 2025, 4:27 pm
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Stop trying to overthink this. VCS are after your money. You're
either low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who is going to
pay up out of ignorance and fear or you are going to fight it
and not pay penny to VCS if you follow the advice. Your choice.
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