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Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: June 20, 2025, 11:59 am
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Dear all
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I received 2 pcns for this on the same day. I don't remember any
restrictions and looking at google maps doesnt show anything.
Havent been back since so will go next week. What are the
thoughts here?
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: catnip
Date: June 20, 2025, 12:23 pm
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Here's a screenshot from Google maps confirming the restriction
on that road.
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 20, 2025, 12:33 pm
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There are advanced warning signs in both directions : -
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and
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They're rather small and of course easily obscured by high-sided
vehicles like buses.
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 20, 2025, 2:22 pm
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OP, both PCNs are addressed to the 'Company Secretary' therefore
you as an individual have no standing in this matter, it's the
Paradise Lodge Hotel which is being held liable.
When you combine this with the PCNs being served out of time on
the face of it, and therefore invalid, we need to look at who's
who before getting to what?
So:
Is the company the registered keeper? If so, it's a shoo-in win
for you.
If they're not then was/is the vehicle is hired or leased?
What term i.e. short(<6 months) or longer?
As the driver on the day, how do you stand regarding penalties
which might be owed by the company, indeed how did you come into
possession of the PCNs as neither is addressed to you?
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: June 23, 2025, 7:08 am
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Hi
The registered keeper is VWFS UK Ltd
4 yr Lease which has now been settled. The car went back last
week
I was the driver this day so the pcns was given to me
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: June 24, 2025, 12:31 pm
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Any more thoughts or advice on this? I'm running out of days.
cheers
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 24, 2025, 4:26 pm
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VWFS are notorious for not using correct procedure in these
matters. They are not alone. See p.13 Transfer of Liability:
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You(that is the company) are not the registered keeper but MAY
be considered to be the 'owner'(and it is 'owner' liability) but
NOT if the lease company simply relied upon 'vehicle-hire'
grounds because the vehicle was NOT subject to a hiring
agreement but held under a lease.
Pl confirm whether the company has received any correspondence
from VWFS regarding these matters. If so, pl post.
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: June 25, 2025, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Pl confirm whether the company has received any correspondence
from VWFS regarding these matters. If so, pl post.
>
--- End Quote ---
None received that I know of.
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: June 30, 2025, 6:27 am
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Hi any further thoughts as time has run out now.
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Re: Code 53 Harringay Ladder
DIR By: sugarray
Date: August 19, 2025, 8:45 am
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Hi all I had to appeal and it has been rejected by Haringey. I
said simply that we are not the registered keeper, that was all.
Please find rejection letter. We received this yesterday and its
dated 11/08/25. There are 2 letters the same. there is a date
difference onwe 23rd April the other 25th April didn't notice
this previously. I added the original pcn in the folder.
Is there any help on this?
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