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L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: Hemms
Date: October 11, 2023, 12:12 pm
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Can I please get some help with the attached PCN.
I have received this PCN for a no right turn.
I attach a copy of the PCN and photos
HTML https://imgur.com/a/yqBNpVU
Here is the link for the street view, which shows the signs that
I didn't see. I will go back and take some photo's of the
signs.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/LKEKD8Xyjv669Z356
Many thanks
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 11, 2023, 1:02 pm
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Well, here are the signs you appear to have missed : -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/mJtPyKgSBSrrhbN99
Easy to miss if high-sided vehicles are parked there delivering
to the shops.
Here's 2012 when right turns were allowed
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tvTwKXww5VEZEBz98
and 2019
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fwFrAsWy4YkxGp9P6
So is it worth a punt at London Tribunals ? I would say about
50-50, but others may differ.
This assumes the PCN has no fatal errors, and the traffic orders
are OK.
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 13, 2023, 12:22 pm
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEwB7vOstHk
While we wait for your photos, I've ordered the traffic
management order.
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: Hemms
Date: October 15, 2023, 9:18 am
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I have uploaded my photos to the link below. which includes the
rest of the evidence
HTML https://imgur.com/a/yqBNpVU
Thanks
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 16, 2023, 6:06 pm
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I'm sorry to tell you that the signage complies with the
requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General
Directions 2016, and it's meaning is clear within the meaning of
regulation 18 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders
(Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996.
There are only two possible strategies:
1) Make a plea for discretion, or
2) Try and trip the council up into failing to consider your
representations.
Strategy 1 involves appealing to the authority's discretionary
power not to enforce, which is a power only the council has (the
tribunal cannot allow an appeal on this basis).
Strategy 2 involves giving the council a link to a video or
image you want them to consider, and setting it up view a click
/ view counter so we can prove whether they're looked at your
supporting evidence. If they fail to look at it, you can then
win on a failure to consider.
The best approach might be to combine both approaches (provide
evidence of mitigation by means of a link), but first we need to
know if you have any meaningful mitigation to put forwards.
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: Hemms
Date: October 17, 2023, 7:27 am
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Thank you for your help.
I know I wasn't thinking straight as my Dad had just passed
away, but I think on this occasion I will just pay the fine.
I've spoken to some locals and they have all been caught out, so
why should I be any different.
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 17, 2023, 4:52 pm
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> I know I wasn't thinking straight as my Dad had just passed
away, but I think on this occasion I will just pay the fine.
>
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[member=743]Hemms[/member] my condolences, and please don't pay!
Virtually all local authorities will cancel a PCN in the event
of a recent bereavement. All you need to do is send them a copy
of the death certificate or the order of service of the funeral,
and ask them to cancel it on compassionate grounds.
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Re: L.B. Waltham Forest - 50R performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 13, 2023, 4:10 am
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The Waltham Forest (Prescribed Routes) (No. 2) Traffic Order
1971
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1uupZWHHcotqvjxFffu236qvHIssWNHpg.
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