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#Post#: 77004--------------------------------------------------
NIP Advice please
DIR By: malt
Date: June 18, 2025, 8:17 am
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Hi all
I was recommended this site so thank you in advance for your
assistance, much appreciated and I've read the read this first
section too, thank you.
My dad got 2 x NIP in the post one for doing 31 in a 20 and
other for doing 29 in 20, both on the same road about 2 weeks
apart. Thought it was a 30 didnt realise was a 20.
NIPs are dated about a month and a month and half ago.
Just found the letters as mum (with dementia) had hidden them
and we did not see them (not on purpose, she doesnt realise what
she does).
My question is, how to respond, do I just fill in the details on
the back with my dads details, how can I try for him to do the
educational course instead of points, would that be allowed for
both? It says that may be an option available only until end of
july on one / beginning august on other
The car is registered to the company, but it was my dad driving,
so does that make any difference how to fill it in?
Thanks so much for any advice, much appreciated.
I am acting for my dad as I deal with all his paperwork etc so
am able to respond accordingly.
#Post#: 77014--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 18, 2025, 8:52 am
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“The company”?
#Post#: 77015--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: malt
Date: June 18, 2025, 9:01 am
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Yes.
The registered keeper is a limited company (dads)
But the NIP says if the addressee is a limited company the form
is for the attention of the company secretary or other
responsible person.
Why?
#Post#: 77019--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: June 18, 2025, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> My question is, how to respond, do I just fill in the details
on the back with my dads details
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes - they will usually accept a 'late' nomination (as long as
it doesn't appear something untoward is going on like trying to
architect a 'timeout').
Assuming they accept the nomination (from the company) then
another s172 request will be issued to the driver - this has to
be completed (and signed) by the recipient (your Dad).
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> how can I try for him to do the educational course instead of
points, would that be allowed for both? It says that may be an
option available only until end of july on one / beginning
august on other
>
--- End Quote ---
At best they will only offer one. The other would likely see a
fixed penalty offer (3 points £100).
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> I am acting for my dad as I deal with all his paperwork etc so
am able to respond accordingly.
>
--- End Quote ---
Note the above when he receives his own s172.
#Post#: 77041--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 18, 2025, 10:34 am
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--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> Why?
>
--- End Quote ---
Because it’s relevant to the advice.
#Post#: 77136--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: malt
Date: June 19, 2025, 4:54 am
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--- Quote from: JustLoveCars link ---
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> [quote author=malt link=topic=6876.msg77004#msg77004
date=1750252650]
> My question is, how to respond, do I just fill in the details
on the back with my dads details
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes - they will usually accept a 'late' nomination (as long as
it doesn't appear something untoward is going on like trying to
architect a 'timeout').
Assuming they accept the nomination (from the company) then
another s172 request will be issued to the driver - this has to
be completed (and signed) by the recipient (your Dad).
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> how can I try for him to do the educational course instead of
points, would that be allowed for both? It says that may be an
option available only until end of july on one / beginning
august on other
>
--- End Quote ---
At best they will only offer one. The other would likely see a
fixed penalty offer (3 points £100).
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> I am acting for my dad as I deal with all his paperwork etc so
am able to respond accordingly.
>
--- End Quote ---
Note the above when he receives his own s172.
[/quote]
Thanks JustLoveCars for your helpful responses! Much appreciated
and noted.
So I shouldn't include a letter asking for the courses, its
something they will decide themselves?
I just noticed I can reply online, so does it make a difference
online or filling in the form and posting?
Out of interest, what is architecting a timeout?
Thank you!
#Post#: 77142--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: June 19, 2025, 5:39 am
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--- Quote from: malt link ---
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> So I shouldn't include a letter asking for the courses, its
something they will decide themselves?
>
--- End Quote ---
No need. Either it qualifies or not.
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> I just noticed I can reply online, so does it make a
difference online or filling in the form and posting?
>
--- End Quote ---
Online is fine. That may not be an option for the driver.
--- Quote from: malt link ---
>
> Out of interest, what is architecting a timeout?
>
--- End Quote ---
They have 6 months to commence a prosecution. Nowhere near it
here...
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Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: June 19, 2025, 7:15 am
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--- Quote from: malt link ---
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>
>
> ... I just noticed I can reply online, so does it make a
difference online or filling in the form and posting?...
>
--- End Quote ---
Depends.
Some constabularies allow you to nominate a third party online,
but if you are nominating yourself as the driver, most
constabularies apparently still require you to return the
completed paper form with a signature.
So in the respect of the s172 request addressed to the company,
it sounds like your father can complete it on behalf of the
company naming himself online, but when he receives his own s172
addressed to himself, he needs to read the instructions very
carefully to see if they will allow him to nominate himself
online or whether he has to send the completed form back.
Online nominations will be quicker, but make sure you keep
screenshots as proof of what he (you) tells them and also a
screenshot of any confirmatory reply of the details given.
If he has to send back the completed and signed paper form, keep
a copy and post the completed form first class from a post
office counter and get free proof of posting.
#Post#: 77191--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: roythebus
Date: June 19, 2025, 10:50 am
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A limited company is in law a separate individual entity, the
same as you and I are separate legal entities. If the s172 is
addressed to "the company", the company by being an inanimate
object cannot reply, so the company secretary or person
authorised by the company has to answer. Whether the secretary,
person authorised or the driver is immaterial. The company has
to reply.
So if your father is the company secretary, then he has to
reply. If he is the sole shareholder, then he must reply or
authorise someone to do so. That person must name the driver,
who will then get his own s172 to answer. Yes, it has to be done
twice. The person replying to the initial s172 does not have to
do or say anything else. The nominated driver has to do that
when his personal s172 appears.
The good thing about a company owned car is that if the company
itself cannot get points on a driving licence as the company
can't drive. But failure to complete the s172 can lead to the
company being fined up to £1000 and like the UK in the
eurovision song contest, nul point. There is no licence to put
points on. How many others are likely to have drive the company
car?
#Post#: 77305--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP Advice please
DIR By: DrSatan
Date: June 20, 2025, 3:05 am
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
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> The good thing about a company owned car is that if the
company itself cannot get points on a driving licence as the
company can't drive. But failure to complete the s172 can lead
to the company being fined up to £1000 and like the UK in the
eurovision song contest, nul point. There is no licence to put
points on. How many others are likely to have drive the company
car?
>
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OP - be aware that s172(5) of the Road Traffic Act says that:
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> Where a body corporate is guilty of an offence under this
section and the offence is proved to have been committed with
the consent or connivance of, or to be attributable to neglect
on the part of, a director, manager, secretary or other similar
officer of the body corporate, or a person who was purporting to
act in any such capacity, he, as well as the body corporate, is
guilty of that offence and liable to be proceeded against and
punished accordingly
--- End Quote ---
In layman's terms, if the director(s) are to blame (whether
through a positive act or through neglect) for the company
getting fined for failing to identify the driver, they can also
be penalised (which includes getting points on their licence)
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