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Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: Golosowidoso
Date: June 17, 2025, 2:29 pm
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Hi everyone,
This is my first post here, and I really appreciate any advice
or thoughts you can offer.
I'm dealing with a frustrating and frankly unfair situation with
my local council. A few months ago, I paid in full for a
one-year residential parking permit. While waiting for my V5
document, the council issued me a temporary permit, which had a
one-month expiry. Unfortunately, while still waiting on the V5,
the temporary permit expired — and I came back one day to find a
Penalty Charge Notice on my windscreen.
Even though I had already paid for the full permit and was
entitled to park there, the council rejected my appeal on the
grounds that I didn’t have a valid permit on display. Yes, the
temp permit had technically expired — but this was clearly just
an administrative delay. Why is the council behaving like a
bully toward residents acting in good faith?
Why am I being punished the same as someone who didn’t pay for a
permit at all? I wasn’t trying to dodge the rules. I paid, I was
following the process, and it would’ve taken them 30 seconds to
confirm that and cancel the fine. But no — appeal rejected. I’ve
now been told to either pay £50 now or risk it going up to £100
if I go down the formal appeal route and lose, or up to 150£.
Has anyone dealt with something similar? Do I stand a chance if
I formally challenge this — either directly with the council or
through the Scottish Parking Appeals Service? £50 is a
considerable money for me at the moment, and I genuinely feel
this charge is unjust, specially after having paid 96£ for a
full year permit.
Thanks again for reading — any guidance would be really
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Re: Unfair parking fine despite having paid for permit - help
please
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 17, 2025, 3:35 pm
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Is this Scotland?
Read this and update the title and content of your post with all
the documents.
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Re: Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 17, 2025, 5:05 pm
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The contravention is for not having a pay session for the pay
and display in this shared bay - I presume Scotland doesn't have
a high/low contravention differential and also that penalties
increased recently.
I assume the logbook arrived and you validated the permit - what
date:
- did you apply for the V5C
- when did it arrive
- when did you upload to council
- when did thei issue you with the temp permit
- when did it expire
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Re: Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: Golosowidoso
Date: June 17, 2025, 5:36 pm
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Thank you so much for your response. Sorry if I do not
understand much about all this, I bought my car a few months
ago. Not sure If I am using the 'Reply' functionality well
either.
-I didn't apply for a V5C, essentially I bought the car the 15th
of April and the company I bought it from gave me a 'V5C/2 'New
keeper's details. I was told then than I should wait for the
'official' V5 that would be sent to me on the email. I just paid
the vehicle tax, insurance and waited.
- This 'official' V5 arrived last week (the same day or the
previous day I got the PCN i.e., 11-12 June).
- I uploaded this V5 to the council after receiving this PCN (13
June)
- They issued a temporary permit to me the 15th of April,
expiring 15th of May.
Essentially, I believe that the council is unfairly punishing me
for a mere administrative delay. Since I paid in full for this
service (I’m attaching the receipt for the permit payment
made on 15th April), I was entitled to park in that space. This
PCN penalises me not for abusing the system, but for a
technicality — despite the fact that I had followed the
process, had a temporary permit as advised, and was simply
awaiting the arrival of my V5 before completing the
registration.
This was clearly a situation where discretion should have been
applied. There was no loss of income to the council, no
fraudulent behaviour, and no misuse of a service — just a
minor delay in paperwork. The council could easily have verified
that the permit had been paid for and resolved this without
issuing a penalty. In my view, this approach undermines public
trust and punishes those who act in good faith.
What is the best approach here?
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Re: Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 17, 2025, 7:01 pm
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The basic question is this, which organisation caused the delay
? Reading your narrative, it seems that it was the DVLA delay
that prevented Stirling council from issuing your permit, as the
rules, (I assume) are that they must have sight of the V5 before
issuing the permit.
Yes, you paid in full for your permit, but it had not been
issued on the day you received the PCN. SO the next question is
this, does the permit start when it is paid for, or when it is
issued ? If the former, then it seems to me you have a good case
to take to the scottish adjudicator. Your permit was effectively
"in escrow" waiting for your bona fides in the form of the V5,
and the council are behaving unfairly. It is a duty of public
bodies to behave fairly although Scottish law may be a bit
different. Does the Common Law apply in Scotland ?
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Re: Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: Golosowidoso
Date: June 18, 2025, 5:24 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The basic question is this, which organisation caused the
delay ? Reading your narrative, it seems that it was the DVLA
delay that prevented Stirling council from issuing your permit,
as the rules, (I assume) are that they must have sight of the V5
before issuing the permit.
>
> Yes, you paid in full for your permit, but it had not been
issued on the day you received the PCN. SO the next question is
this, does the permit start when it is paid for, or when it is
issued ? If the former, then it seems to me you have a good case
to take to the scottish adjudicator. Your permit was effectively
"in escrow" waiting for your bona fides in the form of the V5,
and the council are behaving unfairly. It is a duty of public
bodies to behave fairly although Scottish law may be a bit
different. Does the Common Law apply in Scotland ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks — that’s exactly what I am wondering. Yes, my
temporary permit had expired, but I was just waiting on the
final piece of admin (the V5) before the council could issue the
full permit. I’d already paid in full, so as far as
I’m concerned, I was entitled to the service. Basically,
my permanent permit has now been issued with an expiry date of
the end of April 2026 — which is one year (and two weeks)
from the date I originally paid for it. However, it was only
officially issued on 16 June 2025. So it looks like the "clock"
on the permit started from the date of payment in April, not
from the date it was actually issued in June.
In any sensible system, this would be seen as a misunderstanding
— not an attempt to break the law or abuse the rules.
There was no loss to the council, no misuse, no fraud —
just a small paperwork delay. Rejecting my appeal feels
heavy-handed and unfair.
I’m not totally sure how this plays under Scottish law,
but I’d be really interested if anyone knows whether
common law principles (like fairness or proportionality) apply
here. I’m willing to take it to a formal appeal or the
Scottish Parking Appeals Service if there’s a decent
chance of success.
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Re: Stirling City Council (Scotland) Contravention 06 (parked
without clearly displaying permit)
DIR By: Daim456
Date: June 24, 2025, 12:24 pm
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Stirling Council recieve your payment of £98 without lawful
authority when your temporary permit expired they should refund
you in full or pro rata.
I cannot see if Notice to Owner has been issued because that
would be the next step after the expiration of 28 days of Notice
of Rejection after informal representation.
If formal rejection has been issused with information about
appealing with Parking Tribunal with the Web code on the notice,
etc
At most you would lose £100 if the Tribunal rejects you.
But I think Stirling Council might not even consist this.
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