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#Post#: 76857--------------------------------------------------
Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand, Station
Road RM2
DIR By: Buggslondon
Date: June 17, 2025, 7:53 am
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Hi there, PCN as follows:
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GSV location as follows:
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This incident occurred when I performed a u-turn having been
parked for a short period in a legitimate drop-off point outside
the station. I do this regularly, u-turns are permitted, as is
passage through the bus stop when performing the u-turn.
However, on this occasion, somebody pulled up and parked in the
bus stop, meaning my passage through was obstructed. I therefore
needed to reverse up slightly to complete the manouvre. I'm
providing this context so that, upon your review, my car isn't
mistaken for the one already parked in the bus stop at the
start, nor the black one that pulls in at the end.
Essentially I had no intent to stop in the bus stop and whilst
my car stopped rolling for a second or two whilst transitioning
from forward to reverse gears, I believe this is an unfair
ticket and not in the spirit of the law which is to stop people
using the bus stop as a parking or drop-off point. It was clear
this was not my intent.
I feel compelled to appeal, but Havering doesn't offer an
extended discount period if it rejects the appeal, so only want
to appeal if I've got a good chance at tribunal. I sense that I
have but would welcome the input of your experience and
knowledge.
Many thanks,
#Post#: 76861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 17, 2025, 8:21 am
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Clearly this is a driving manoeuvre and not a contravention
although technically any stop is but I doubt they'd take you to
the tribunal. I would make reps on this but draft something here
first.
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#Post#: 76863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 17, 2025, 8:24 am
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Looking at the video, I'd say you have an excellent chance of
winning this one at adjudication. Havering are in top place for
the most venal and rapacious council there is in London. You are
making a traffic manoevre, the stop being nominal in order to
complete your turn. The whole point of a restricted bus stop is
to stop people stopping in them to board or alight passengers,
not to penalise people making normal traffic manoevres.
#Post#: 76892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: June 17, 2025, 11:47 am
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looking at the video it looks like the car that was in
contravention had a ghost number plate so the operator used
yours you will win this albeit perhaps at tribunal
Just make an representation to the effect that you were in the
process of performing a driving manoeuvre but had to revers
slightly do to the parked car in front of you any slight stop
was only the process of changing gear
#Post#: 76951--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: Buggslondon
Date: June 18, 2025, 3:11 am
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Thank you all for your helpful replies. Please see below my
proposed appeal for your review:
I hereby appeal this penalty charge on the grounds that the
contravention did not occur.
Following my being temporarily stopped in one of the drop off &
pick up bays on the opposite side of Station Road outside Gidea
Park Station, I performed a traffic manoeuvre to turn the car
around in the road in order to face in the opposite direction.
During performing the manoeuvre, I had to reverse slightly due
to the parked car in front of me blocking my passage. This was a
momentary and nominal stop, too minor to be of consequence, and
purely to complete the manoeuvre.
A restricted bus stop is intended to stop people from stopping
to board or alight passengers, and the video evidence clearly
shows that was not the case for my vehicle.
Please can you kindly cancel the charge.
#Post#: 77089--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: Buggslondon
Date: June 18, 2025, 4:22 pm
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just bumping this in case it has been missed. Any feedback on
the proposed appeal wording would be appreciated. Many thanks.
#Post#: 77094--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 18, 2025, 5:00 pm
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Looks OK - but I would remove this:
A restricted bus stop is intended to stop people from stopping
to board or alight passengers, and the video evidence clearly
shows that was not the case for my vehicle.
and instead say:
This is confirmed by your video which I trust you will review.
#Post#: 77128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: Buggslondon
Date: June 19, 2025, 4:12 am
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Thank you for the feedback.
I've gone on to make the appeal and have received the following
message:
"Informal Challenge Denied
It would appear you have already been sent a Notice to Owner.
At this time you can only make a Formal Representation.
Please click here to make a Formal Representation. You will
need your web code which was supplied on the Notice to Owner."
My PCN isn't headed as a 'notice to owner' and I haven't
received any other correspondence. Should I go ahead and make
the formal representation, or has there been a procedural mishap
on the part of the authority?
#Post#: 77143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 19, 2025, 5:53 am
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I have just had a look at the Havering website, and on the page
here : -
HTML https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/2
There are two options, (1) If the PCN was left on the vehicle
and (2) If the PCN was sent by post. Each of the two headings
also say if it is for informal challenge, or formal
representations.
Looks like you selected the wrong option
This is the page for your formal reps: -
HTML https://parking.havering.gov.uk/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL
#Post#: 77155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand,
Station Road RM2
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 19, 2025, 7:14 am
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If you selected the wrong option then I suggest you might
consider this alternative draft for your reps. The web code is
in the PCN.
IMO, your argument is 'contravention did not occur'.
At ** on *** I was parked in *** facing towards *** having just
****, something which I do regularly. Equally regularly I
execute a 180 and leave in the opposite direction. Depending on
surrounding vehicles, my position relative to the kerb and my
steering angle I might need to drive through part of the bus
stop.
On this occasion I had assessed the situation e.g. no bus in the
bus stop etc. and had started my manoeuvre (off camera), having
let a car pass me(the one which can be seen in the clearway)
when this same car pulled into the clearway to stop and drop off
a passenger(again, clearly seen in the video). Them committing a
contravention by being stationary had the inevitable effect of
causing me to have to stop in order to avoid a collision and
therefore damaging property and potentially persons. Having done
so, I immediately reversed and then drove forward. I would add
that I did not wait for this car to move because I wanted to
avoid being stationary any longer than was unavoidable.
Having set out the full facts, I would now refer the authority
to paragraph 4 of Part 6 of Schedule 7 to the Traffic Signs etc.
Regulations which provides:
Exceptions applicable to paragraphs 1 and 3 [the prohibition on
stopping in a clearway]
(2) The prohibition in paragraphs 1(1) and 3 does not apply in
respect of—
(b)a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;
The exception clearly applies in my case and therefore the PCN
must be cancelled. If the authority do not and instead reject
these representations then, given the comprehensive nature,
clarity and relevance of my claim to the exemption you are
obliged under your public law duties to put forward equally
sound reasons which address the substance of the
representations.
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