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       #Post#: 76695--------------------------------------------------
       PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: Mocede28
       Date: June 16, 2025, 7:36 am
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       Hi to all.
       I broken down on double yellow lines rang my local garage for
       advice and they offered to pick up my vehicle and within 20mins
       they came and installed a new battery. I have invoice for this.
       Original Pcn was challenged with invoice attached which they
       rejected and offered me a second challenge with the council
       which also got rejected and this is where I stand now.
       Any help or advice greatly appreciated.
       Thanks
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       #Post#: 76706--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: June 16, 2025, 7:59 am
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       OK, so no re-offer of discount means it is now a total
       no-brainer to take them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, as thhe
       penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs.
       #Post#: 76715--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: June 16, 2025, 8:38 am
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       I broken down on double yellow lines
       Doesn't happen like this, there's a sequence of events which we
       need to know.
       Being on DYL is, without further elaboration, a contravention.
       So, did you park there, under full motive power and control, and
       then find you couldn't get out of contravention because the
       battery was flat. And when did you discover this, before or
       after the PCN was issued? If before, where were you when the CEO
       appeared? If after, then you were in contravention and your
       subsequent discovery of a flat battery is not germane.
       If you limped onto the DYL because you could not drive under
       full control and pulled over to stop at the earliest
       opportunity, no legal places being available? If so, where were
       you when the CEO arrived?
       You need to flesh out the sequence.
       Having said this, as you're going to tribunal anyway and
       procedural impropriety is an additional string to your bow
       anyway.
       #Post#: 76722--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: Mocede28
       Date: June 16, 2025, 9:46 am
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       Thanks for your time reading and replying.
       I was being very brief when I said I broken down on double
       yellows.
       My vehicle has intermittent electrical issues for some time now
       the garage said it will cost £1500+ to observe the whole vehicle
       electrical wiring. Once diagnosed further labour and parts
       charge will apply accordingly. I didn’t go with this option as I
       only broken down twice in the last 4 years due to this issue.
       The contravention occurred as my car lost all power during a
       right turn into the street. Would not restart. I then pushed my
       vehicle to the nearest safe place being double yellows rather
       than leaving it in the middle of the road ( next time I’ll leave
       it obstructing causing hazard at least a Pcn won’t be written).
       Rang the garage they said they won’t be long and will call me
       within 30 mins. I went off to the shops and I got a call in 15
       mins they then arrived and moved my vehicle which had a Pcn
       produced in that short time of 20 mins.
       #Post#: 76765--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: MrChips
       Date: June 16, 2025, 1:41 pm
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       I know your are probably being facetious, but leaving the car in
       the middle of the road next time won't help as the yellow lines
       apply up to the middle of the carriageway.
       #Post#: 76773--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: June 16, 2025, 2:32 pm
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       You've redacted the location so we cannot examine your account
       as would an adjudicator. Knowingly driving a vehicle predisposed
       to breaking down which when it does is in contravention doesn't
       normally engender a sympathetic response from an adjudicator.
       I went off to the shops and I got a call in 15 mins they then
       arrived and moved my vehicle which had a Pcn produced in that
       short time of 20 mins. ...would similarly be unlikely get much
       sympathy.
       I think any appeal would need to look at every aspect,
       particularly procedural.
       #Post#: 76777--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: MrChips
       Date: June 16, 2025, 3:07 pm
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       An issue which causes a breakdown twice in four years doesn't
       count as predisposed to me.
       I remember having an old banger which had an overheating issue
       which seemed to have fixed itself as it didn't reoccur for many
       months - until I was giving my mother in law a lift to the
       airport one morning at 5am! Had to leave it by the side of the
       road and order an Uber. There were no road markings so in my
       haste I thought it was ok. When I returned hours later I
       discovered a PCN as it was a red route clearway!
       TFL to their (rare) credit did eventually cancel it due to the
       breakdown.
       #Post#: 76779--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: June 16, 2025, 3:26 pm
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       'My vehicle has intermittent electrical issues for some time
       now..' and twice in 4 years are IMO hardly consistent.
       Anyway, the location is needed as is the PCN.
       #Post#: 76790--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: stamfordman
       Date: June 16, 2025, 5:11 pm
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       If the garage said they were coming soon you should have waited
       with the car would be my objection.
       #Post#: 76811--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
   DIR By: Mocede28
       Date: June 17, 2025, 4:16 am
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       Nice to see usernames that I remember from the old website
       pepipoo. Thanks to all you guys for what you are still doing.
       Some good points raised. I don’t think I explained good
       enough in my challenge and even now that I’m recovering
       from the worst flu I have ever had 2 weeks ago I notice
       I’m talking my sentences backwards. Some kind of brain
       fatigue won’t leave me.
       Stamfordman looking back at it now I agree I should have waited
       near the vehicle. 30 mins seemed a long time to wait around
       given that day I remember was scorching.
       Anderson I know it sounds contradicting what I meant was the
       electrical wiring fault was diagnosed 4 years ago by RAC due to
       car battery power being consumed even when the car is parked and
       not in use. Since then a Few times the radio settings have reset
       and electric windows sometimes we’re opening fast then
       slow. Other things included headlight flickering when using ac
       or demisters given these issues the car only lost full power and
       broken down twice in all that period.
       Do i provide the actual PCN number for someone to log in?
       The location where I lost full power of the vehicle was on a
       right turn into Ruperra Street off Commercial Road in Newport
       (NP20 Postcode) soon as I entered this street my vehicle stalled
       and would not start (push start only no key) pushed it to the
       nearest safe space on the right about 10 meters ahead just
       before the little park.
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