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PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: Mocede28
Date: June 16, 2025, 7:36 am
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Hi to all.
I broken down on double yellow lines rang my local garage for
advice and they offered to pick up my vehicle and within 20mins
they came and installed a new battery. I have invoice for this.
Original Pcn was challenged with invoice attached which they
rejected and offered me a second challenge with the council
which also got rejected and this is where I stand now.
Any help or advice greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 16, 2025, 7:59 am
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OK, so no re-offer of discount means it is now a total
no-brainer to take them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, as thhe
penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 16, 2025, 8:38 am
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I broken down on double yellow lines
Doesn't happen like this, there's a sequence of events which we
need to know.
Being on DYL is, without further elaboration, a contravention.
So, did you park there, under full motive power and control, and
then find you couldn't get out of contravention because the
battery was flat. And when did you discover this, before or
after the PCN was issued? If before, where were you when the CEO
appeared? If after, then you were in contravention and your
subsequent discovery of a flat battery is not germane.
If you limped onto the DYL because you could not drive under
full control and pulled over to stop at the earliest
opportunity, no legal places being available? If so, where were
you when the CEO arrived?
You need to flesh out the sequence.
Having said this, as you're going to tribunal anyway and
procedural impropriety is an additional string to your bow
anyway.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: Mocede28
Date: June 16, 2025, 9:46 am
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Thanks for your time reading and replying.
I was being very brief when I said I broken down on double
yellows.
My vehicle has intermittent electrical issues for some time now
the garage said it will cost £1500+ to observe the whole vehicle
electrical wiring. Once diagnosed further labour and parts
charge will apply accordingly. I didn’t go with this option as I
only broken down twice in the last 4 years due to this issue.
The contravention occurred as my car lost all power during a
right turn into the street. Would not restart. I then pushed my
vehicle to the nearest safe place being double yellows rather
than leaving it in the middle of the road ( next time I’ll leave
it obstructing causing hazard at least a Pcn won’t be written).
Rang the garage they said they won’t be long and will call me
within 30 mins. I went off to the shops and I got a call in 15
mins they then arrived and moved my vehicle which had a Pcn
produced in that short time of 20 mins.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 16, 2025, 1:41 pm
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I know your are probably being facetious, but leaving the car in
the middle of the road next time won't help as the yellow lines
apply up to the middle of the carriageway.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 16, 2025, 2:32 pm
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You've redacted the location so we cannot examine your account
as would an adjudicator. Knowingly driving a vehicle predisposed
to breaking down which when it does is in contravention doesn't
normally engender a sympathetic response from an adjudicator.
I went off to the shops and I got a call in 15 mins they then
arrived and moved my vehicle which had a Pcn produced in that
short time of 20 mins. ...would similarly be unlikely get much
sympathy.
I think any appeal would need to look at every aspect,
particularly procedural.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: MrChips
Date: June 16, 2025, 3:07 pm
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An issue which causes a breakdown twice in four years doesn't
count as predisposed to me.
I remember having an old banger which had an overheating issue
which seemed to have fixed itself as it didn't reoccur for many
months - until I was giving my mother in law a lift to the
airport one morning at 5am! Had to leave it by the side of the
road and order an Uber. There were no road markings so in my
haste I thought it was ok. When I returned hours later I
discovered a PCN as it was a red route clearway!
TFL to their (rare) credit did eventually cancel it due to the
breakdown.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 16, 2025, 3:26 pm
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'My vehicle has intermittent electrical issues for some time
now..' and twice in 4 years are IMO hardly consistent.
Anyway, the location is needed as is the PCN.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 16, 2025, 5:11 pm
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If the garage said they were coming soon you should have waited
with the car would be my objection.
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Re: PCN - BROKEN DOWN ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINES
DIR By: Mocede28
Date: June 17, 2025, 4:16 am
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Nice to see usernames that I remember from the old website
pepipoo. Thanks to all you guys for what you are still doing.
Some good points raised. I don’t think I explained good
enough in my challenge and even now that I’m recovering
from the worst flu I have ever had 2 weeks ago I notice
I’m talking my sentences backwards. Some kind of brain
fatigue won’t leave me.
Stamfordman looking back at it now I agree I should have waited
near the vehicle. 30 mins seemed a long time to wait around
given that day I remember was scorching.
Anderson I know it sounds contradicting what I meant was the
electrical wiring fault was diagnosed 4 years ago by RAC due to
car battery power being consumed even when the car is parked and
not in use. Since then a Few times the radio settings have reset
and electric windows sometimes we’re opening fast then
slow. Other things included headlight flickering when using ac
or demisters given these issues the car only lost full power and
broken down twice in all that period.
Do i provide the actual PCN number for someone to log in?
The location where I lost full power of the vehicle was on a
right turn into Ruperra Street off Commercial Road in Newport
(NP20 Postcode) soon as I entered this street my vehicle stalled
and would not start (push start only no key) pushed it to the
nearest safe space on the right about 10 meters ahead just
before the little park.
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