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#Post#: 76548--------------------------------------------------
EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed 90min
free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: June 15, 2025, 5:45 am
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Hi all
I would appreciate some help with a parking PCN from EuroCarPark
in Sainsbury's Ilford. The PCN states that the driver overstayed
the maximum time frame allowed (90min), and actually stayed
2h7min
SITUATION: Upon entering the car park, the driver went into
Sainbsurys for some shopping, and then went to a doctor's
appointment in the nearby shopping centre (ilford Exchange
shopping centre) just across the road. However there was a fire
alarm in the shopping centre, which meant that everyone was
evacuated and therefore the appointment ran over due to the
delay in getting all the evacuated people back into the
building. Due to the appointment running over, when they left
the car park they had exceeded the maximum parking period. On
Wed 4th June, I, the registered keeper, received a PCN through
the post (please also note that this delay in receiving the
ticket meant that the date issued (24th May) didn't give me the
2 weeks to pay the discounted rate of £50)
I am posting a copy of the PCN received, as well as a photo of
the parking sign (i got the photo from Google Maps street view,
so apologies for not being clear (i tried to clear it up as much
as possible!)). Here is the Google Maps street view link as well
if you wanted to get an idea.
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5567452,0.0681569,3a,15y,163.25h,88.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stO9cNaBMtjnRzEDSRpPCJQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.8199999999999932%26panoid%3DtO9cNaBMtjnRzEDSRpPCJQ%26yaw%3D163.25!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Any help will be much appreciated!
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#Post#: 76567--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: b789
Date: June 15, 2025, 10:40 am
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No one ever pays ECP if they follow our advice. However, this
one has a good chance offing cancelled at POPLA stage, as long
as the drivers identity is not revealed. This is because the
Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not compliant with PoFA 2012 and so
liability cannot be transferred from the unknown driver to the
known Keeper.
The NtK must identify the "relevant land" where the alleged
contravention took place. The NtK states the location as
"Sainsbury's - Ilford". So, which of these three Sainsbury's is
it?
[indent]• Sainsbury's - 55 Roden St, Ilford IG1 2AA
• Sainsbury's - King George Ave, Ilford IG2 7SH
• Sainsbury's - 168-170 High Rd, Ilford IG1 1LL[/indent]
For now, simply follow this advice:
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
When they reject the appeal, you will have a POPLA code where
you can explain the breach in more detail.
#Post#: 76610--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: June 15, 2025, 5:01 pm
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Thanks for this, I really appreciate it. I am going to follow
your advice - I'll keep this thread updated!
#Post#: 80758--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: July 13, 2025, 2:59 am
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Hi, I’ve received a reply from eurocsrparks, they rejected the
appeal of course! I’ve attached the response letter to this post
Please advise on how best to proceed, thank you again for all
your help!
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#Post#: 80767--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: b789
Date: July 13, 2025, 4:39 am
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You have 33 days from the date of the rejection of your initial
appeal to submit your POPLA appeal. As this is a clear cut case,
you only have to appeal on the ambiguity of the relevant land
and therefore a breach of PoFA 9(2)(a) and also put them to
strict proof of their contract flowing from the landowner.
Appeal to POPLA with the following:
--- Quote ---
> POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
> PCN Reference Number: [Insert PCN Number]
> Vehicle Registration: [Insert Registration]
>
> I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I am challenging
this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Euro Car Parks.
>
> This PCN is invalid. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to
comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule
4, because it does not identify the relevant land. The location
stated is simply “Lidl – Ilford”, which is vague and ambiguous.
There are multiple Lidl sites in Ilford:
>
> [indent]• Lidl – 308-310 High Rd, Ilford IG1 1QP
> • Lidl – 1-11 High Rd, Ilford IG1 1DA
> • Lidl – 1-3 Clements Rd, Ilford IG1 1BA[/indent]
>
> PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) requires the NtK to
“specify the land on which the vehicle was parked”. A generic
label like “Lidl – Ilford” does not meet this requirement.
Because the NtK fails to specify the actual location, it is not
PoFA compliant.
>
> This is not a technicality. The entire basis for keeper
liability under PoFA depends on full compliance with its
conditions. Partial or substantial compliance is not enough. If
the NtK fails on any mandatory point, liability cannot transfer
from the unknown driver to the known keeper.
>
> As the keeper, I am under no legal obligation to identify the
driver. Since the NtK is non-compliant, I cannot be held liable.
The PCN is invalid.
>
> The operator is also put to strict proof that they held a
valid contract with the landowner to operate and issue PCNs at
“Lidl – Ilford”. Any evidence submitted must be unredacted and
must include all elements required under Section 14.1(a) to (j)
of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
>
> Before issuing any parking charges, the operator must hold
written confirmation from the landowner that includes:
>
> [indent]1.Identity of the landowner
> 2. A boundary map of the managed land
> 3. Any applicable byelaws
> 4. Permission granted and its duration
> 5. Parking terms and conditions (e.g. free periods, tariffs,
exemptions)
> 6. Method of issuing charges (e.g. windscreen or post)
> 7. Responsibility for obtaining consents (e.g. planning,
signage)
> 8. Documentation to be supplied to authorised bodies on
request
> 9. Approach to handling appeals[/indent]
>
> All of the above must be evidenced in full and unredacted if
the operator relies on landowner authority. A simple letter of
authority does not satisfy the requirements of section 14.
>
> As there is no lawful basis to pursue the keeper, the PCN is
invalid and this appeal must be upheld.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 80829--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: July 13, 2025, 1:26 pm
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The POPLA website wants me to choose the right basis for appeal
- I really don;t want to mess this up so I'm assuming I choose
this one (see screenshot)?
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Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: July 13, 2025, 1:28 pm
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Here are the rest of the options, for reference
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Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: b789
Date: July 14, 2025, 3:32 pm
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#Post#: 81513--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: July 17, 2025, 3:53 pm
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Honestly Thank you so much for your support. I've now submitted
the appeal! I'll keep you posted!
#Post#: 110453--------------------------------------------------
Re: EuroCarPark Sainsbury's Ilford Parking PCN - overstayed
90min free parking
DIR By: fahim128
Date: February 20, 2026, 4:40 am
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I forgot to update this thread. The PCN was cancelled due to
your support, thank you so much!
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