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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: DWMB2 Date: January 14, 2026, 5:11 am
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Looks like they're just referring to the notice of allocation,
which tells you when the hearing is and when documents must be
submitted by.
The email address listed for the civil court
(enquiries.reading.countycourt[member=6517]justice[/member].gov.
uk)
should be the appropriate one.
#Post#: 105842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: gogo184 Date: January 14, 2026, 6:05 am
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Thank you.
Sorry I have one more question - is there a way I can send a
video as evidence with my witness statement?
I have taken a video of the parking site, showing inadequate
signage. I will be adding photos in the word doc as exhibit
after the WS. I was thinking this video would help with the
argument of there are more than 10 pillars in that row of
parking spots but only 4 show the signage, rest don't.
How can I add it as part of WS? Put it up on G drive and add the
link in the WS? Would that work?
#Post#: 105857--------------------------------------------------
Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: Oldstoat Date: January 14, 2026, 7:06 am
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This may be of assistance. A recent CC judgement before DJ
Pratt. Between VCS and a Mr Langley. ELMS, do not have rights of
audience. Found it on BAILLIE. dated 7.1.26. So VCS used a
solicitor, who contracted out the attendance at the hearing to
ELMS. Case citation is 2026 EWCC 1
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: gogo184 Date: January 14, 2026, 1:27 pm
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[quote author=Oldstoat link=topic=6773.msg105857#msg105857
date=1768395982]
This may be of assistance. A recent CC judgement before DJ
Pratt. Between VCS and a Mr Langley. ELMS, do not have rights of
audience. Found it on BAILLIE. dated 7.1.26. So VCS used a
solicitor, who contracted out the attendance at the hearing to
ELMS. Case citation is 2026 EWCC 1
[/quote]
Thank you for the update. I will include it in my hearing day
points.
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: DWMB2 Date: January 14, 2026, 2:19 pm
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[member=519]Oldstoat[/member] Are we sure that the logic used in
that case would apply to this one?
From my (admittedly very brief) reading of the 'Langley' case,
part of the issue there was that the judge found Elms had played
no part in conducting litigation, and had been merely been
subcontracted by DCB Legal (who had handled the case on behalf
of VCS) to provide advocacy on the day.
Looking at this thread, it would appear that Elms have been
involved on more than a mere advocacy basis - indeed it was a
solicitor from Elms who signed the Claim Form issuing
proceedings.
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: gogo184 Date: January 14, 2026, 3:13 pm
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[quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=6773.msg105919#msg105919
date=1768421944]
[member=519]Oldstoat[/member] Are we sure that the logic used in
that case would apply to this one?
From my (admittedly very brief) reading of the 'Langley' case,
part of the issue there was that the judge found Elms had played
no part in conducting litigation, and had been merely been
subcontracted by DCB Legal (who had handled the case on behalf
of VCS) to provide advocacy on the day.
Looking at this thread, it would appear that Elms have been
involved on more than a mere advocacy basis - indeed it was a
solicitor from Elms who signed the Claim Form issuing
proceedings.
[/quote]
You are spot on DWMB2. I fed the judgement to ChatGPT and it
gave the exact core summery:
"An ELMS-style advocacy agent who only turns up to speak, but
has not conducted the litigation and is not supervised by the
litigating solicitor, has NO automatic right of audience."
Then it means not applicable in my case. However if someone else
turns up apart from Elms, i.e. if Elms subcontract it to someone
else then it would be applicable, right?
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: DWMB2 Date: January 14, 2026, 6:07 pm
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[quote author=gogo184 link=topic=6773.msg105932#msg105932
date=1768425211]
I fed the judgement to ChatGPT
[/quote]
Please don't use ChatGPT for legal advice - I once asked it how
many times the lettter 'r' appears in the word 'strawberry' -
its response was '2'.
[quote author=gogo184 link=topic=6773.msg105932#msg105932
date=1768425211]
However if someone else turns up apart from Elms, i.e. if Elms
subcontract it to someone else then it would be applicable,
right?[/quote]
I imagine it would depend who that person is. If they have a
right of audience before that court on their own account, then
no. If they don't, then if you see fit you could try to make the
argument, if you feel confident to do so.
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: gogo184 Date: January 15, 2026, 3:59 am
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[quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=6773.msg105952#msg105952
date=1768435676]
[quote author=gogo184 link=topic=6773.msg105932#msg105932
date=1768425211]
I fed the judgement to ChatGPT
[/quote]
Please don't use ChatGPT for legal advice - I once asked it how
many times the lettter 'r' appears in the word 'strawberry' -
its response was '2'.
[quote author=gogo184 link=topic=6773.msg105932#msg105932
date=1768425211]
However if someone else turns up apart from Elms, i.e. if Elms
subcontract it to someone else then it would be applicable,
right?[/quote]
I imagine it would depend who that person is. If they have a
right of audience before that court on their own account, then
no. If they don't, then if you see fit you could try to make the
argument, if you feel confident to do so.
[/quote]
Agreed, not for legal advice but it's good for summary and
reframing the statements but obviously should be fully reviewed.
Thanks.
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Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: gogo184 Date: January 16, 2026, 8:52 am
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I have sent my witness statement, along with exhibits.
I have found so many holes in their witness statement like its
crazy how is this case allowed to continue, waste everyone's
time. I just hope that I am able to represent myself at the
hearing and able to convey my findings as I have captured in the
witness statement.
I am really annoyed that a false claim is being pursued, wasting
my and court's time, and giving me anxiety and stress.
On to the hearing on 30th.
On another note re costs schedule, if judgement comes in my
favour then how do I proceed with the costs schedule as it's
completely unreasonable conduct. Do we submit costs schedule at
the hearing itself?
Thanks for all your support.
#Post#: 106191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Money Owed Court notice - Unpaid PCN - No Clear Signage - Ex
cel Parking Bakers Street Pay & Display Uxbridge
By: jfollows Date: January 16, 2026, 8:56 am
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For example,
HTML https://dwfgroup.com/en/news-and-insights/insights/2014/12/what-amounts-to-unreasonable-behaviour-in-the-small-claims-track
[quote]
Rule 27.14(2)(g) states that the court may summarily assess a
party’s costs and order them “to be paid by a party who has
behaved unreasonably”. This is in many ways the most significant
exception to the no costs rule, because it provides for the
court to award more in costs than those amounts proscribed
elsewhere in the rule.
The CPR contains little guidance for the court to follow in
assessing unreasonableness, save for 27.14(3) which states that
a party’s rejection of an offer of settlement “will not of
itself constitute unreasonable behaviour”; but the court can
take it into account when applying the test.
Given that the special costs rules of the small claims track are
arguably its raison d’être, Judges can be reluctant to order
costs for unreasonable behaviour, especially when a party is
unrepresented, but we believe that there are a number of
features that when present together might mean that such an
order is attainable and we list a few of these below:
A consistent failure to respond to correspondence and/or
telephone calls
A failure to properly set out a case in respect of liability
and/or quantum pre-litigation
An unwillingness to discuss the case and narrow issues
Dilatory conduct leading to delay
A claim that is unreasonably made and without merit
Exaggeration of a claim and/or dishonesty
A failure to follow the standard Small Claims track directions
Where any of these features are present in a case, then steps
should be taken to place the party on notice that an order for
unreasonable conduct will be sought in the event that
proceedings are issued.[/quote]
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