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#Post#: 75795--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 10, 2025, 9:19 am
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Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to
enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT
avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement
fee of £235 being added to the debt.
When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you
no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a
payment arrangement.
PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment arrangement,
please do NOT offer to pay more than you can comfortably afford.
They will expect an immediate first payment from you today.
#Post#: 75886--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 1:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Bailiff Advice link ---
>
> Paying £150 to CDER Group without contacting them first to
enquire whether a payment arrangement could be set up will NOT
avoid a personal visit being made and with it, an enforcement
fee of £235 being added to the debt.
>
> When calling them, it would be a good idea to mention that you
no longer have the vehicle. That may sway them into accepting a
payment arrangement.
>
> PS: If the operator is willing to accept a payment
arrangement, please do NOT offer to pay more than you can
comfortably afford. They will expect an immediate first payment
from you today.
>
--- End Quote ---
My understanding is that will go on my credit file , is that
correct ?
#Post#: 75887--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only
redact your name & address, please leave everything else
visible.
>
> The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay.
Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
>
> If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there
was a PCN to challenge?
>
> And contact Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
as advised by
[member=12]Incandescent[/member] above.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi, What can I do? as it wasnt 7 clear days from what I can see
..
#Post#: 75942--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 10, 2025, 9:55 pm
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Nothing will go on your credit file.
and
The bailiff doesn't have to be informed if you do apply for an
N244 review. Of course, you can always inform them.
and
If you succeed in making a part payment to the Council, it won't
help. There are rules as to how part payments are divvied up
between the Council and the bailiff. The bailiff can still
enforce to recover any outstanding balance.
[member=632]Bailiff Advice[/member]
Post #6 above includes the Notice of Enforcement. The NoE is
dated Monday the 2nd June. And the deadline is 06:00am on Monday
the 9th June.
The OP says the NoE arrived on Friday the 6th. Even assuming it
was hand delivered, which it wasn't, on the 2nd June there is
not seven clear days notice. So this is an invalid defective
notice.
What if anything can be done about the defective notice?
Not that a defective notice will prevent CDER from trying to
collect.
#Post#: 75948--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 11, 2025, 1:55 am
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OP, I can't follow your timeline.
The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a
yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always
moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve
it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I
looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail, by
this time it had doubled.
I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat
dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the
traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation
So you knew about this at the £250 stage i.e. before an Order
for Recovery had been issued, and yet you don't seem to have
received, and certainly not actioned, the OfR in time.
Something's not adding up. You cannot have written 'emails and
they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat dec and they weren't
interested, most recently I wrote to the traffic enforcement
centre explaining the situation' since Friday 6 June.
Also, the NoE states that the warrant was issued on 18 November
2024.
IMO, we definitely don't have the full picture.
Neither does the OP have time.
IMO, pay the sum demanded now, by payment agreement or whatever,
and then argue the toss about the marginal £75 Compliance Fee.
#Post#: 75978--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 11, 2025, 5:07 am
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Having now checked the TfL website for this PCN, there appears
to be a lot of background information.
The PCN was issued on 5th June and you made representation on
7th June. The appeal was rejected on 25th June and the discount
period reset.
Following the Charge Certificate being issued, you appear to
have made a further appeal on 31st July and an email was sent to
you as confirmation.
On 16th August, further appeal was issued and PCN placed once
again 'on hold'.
Warrant issued on 18th November and on 31st December a Stat Dec
was made and refused on 14th January.
Further representation was made on 19th February.
On 20th March a further OOT Stat Dec was submitted. That
application was refused on 9th April.
Given the history as outlined, I would not give the chances of
an N244 Application (to seek a review of the rejection) being
accepted.
Bailiff Advice Online
#Post#: 75981--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 11, 2025, 5:19 am
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Unfortunately, the Notice of Enforcement from CDER Group does
NOT afford you the statutory 7 'Clear Days'.
A bailiff must send a Notice of Enforcement to the debtor seven
clear days before taking control of goods (visiting to take
goods). ‘Clear days’ do not include the date of issue, (in your
case; June 2nd), the date of receipt, Sundays or bank holidays.
PS: There was a Consultation on bailiff enforcement last year
and the government sought views on the number of days that must
be provided on the NoE. MOJ have now confirmed that legislation
will shortly be amended which will provide (amongst other
points) that the 7 'clear days' will be changed to 14 'clear
days'.
Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
#Post#: 76008--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 11, 2025, 7:52 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Nothing will go on your credit file.
> and
> The bailiff doesn't have to be informed if you do apply for an
N244 review. Of course, you can always inform them.
> and
> If you succeed in making a part payment to the Council, it
won't help. There are rules as to how part payments are divvied
up between the Council and the bailiff. The bailiff can still
enforce to recover any outstanding balance.
>
> [member=632]Bailiff Advice[/member]
>
> Post #6 above includes the Notice of Enforcement. The NoE is
dated Monday the 2nd June. And the deadline is 06:00am on Monday
the 9th June.
>
> The OP says the NoE arrived on Friday the 6th. Even assuming
it was hand delivered, which it wasn't, on the 2nd June there is
not seven clear days notice. So this is an invalid defective
notice.
>
> What if anything can be done about the defective notice?
>
> Not that a defective notice will prevent CDER from trying to
collect.
>
--- End Quote ---
Oh so a payment arrangement with the bailif wont go on my credit
file? I read it would , if that is the case then yeah I suppose
I should just get on with it
#Post#: 76009--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 11, 2025, 7:56 am
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Thanks for all the advice guys, seems there is no get out with
the 7 clear days issue, if I agree a payment plan it wont go on
my credit file, so yeah if that is the case I will just approach
them for a payment plan, cheers
#Post#: 76010--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 11, 2025, 8:17 am
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--- Quote from: bwolf9999 link ---
>
>
> If I agree a payment plan it wont go on my credit file, so
yeah if that is the case I will just approach them for a payment
plan, cheers
>
--- End Quote ---
Just to be clear, a PCN issued by any one of the hundreds of
local authorities in the UK & Wales will not result in a CCJ and
a motorists credit file is not in any way affected.
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