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#Post#: 75604--------------------------------------------------
CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 9, 2025, 2:05 pm
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Hi all
I received a CDER notice of enforcement on Friday (1st letter)
asking for payment by 6am today !
First of all, this seems a bit crazy, is this normal for them to
give such shorty deadlines?
I have been abroad for a few years and before I went I am sure
you could challenge pcn's etc in court, so I am so surprised
there seems no legal recourse now if you disagree with a tfl
pcn, its basically pay it or have bailiffs show up, its
outrageous.
The story is I got a ticket for stopping (about 5 seconds ) in a
yellow box, I appealed the fine as honestly my car was always
moving.
I did not recieve the rejection, honest to god I did not recieve
it, the only reason I knew it has been rejected was because I
looked online a few months later and then checked junk mail, by
this time it had doubled.
I wrote emails and they were ignored explaining, I sent a stat
dec and they werent interested, most recently I wrote to the
traffic enforcement centre explaining the situation , that I had
no issue paying the original fine but felt it was unfair to have
to pay double (now £250) as I didnt get their letter and their
email went to junk, all true.
I havent heard back yet, letter was sent by recorded delivery
and its been at least a coupe of months, looking online on the
tfl site it said my fine was on hold again (its been a year now)
and then on friday i recieved this letter from cder demanding
£325 within 4 days !!!
I am bricking it a bit about the prospect of bailifs showing up
but dont have £325 right now, am i stuffed ? is there anything
I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The online account now says -
Current status Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted.
What if i went online and paid the original fine of £125 without
paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put things
on hold for a while ?
Really appreciate any help guys, feel a bit overwhelmed now that
bailiffs are writing to me ..
#Post#: 75606--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 9, 2025, 2:18 pm
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i should add i dont have the car anymore so dont have the v5 to
know if they sent the letter to the wrong address , i had moved
but had a redirection but cant remember when i changed my
details on the v5, i am certain they wete writing to me at my
old address even though i had updated but im not sure how i can
check
#Post#: 75659--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 9, 2025, 5:40 pm
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Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the
name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
You have failed to receive : -
- response to your reps to TfL
- Charge Certificate
- Order for Recovery
All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on
the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current
address on your representations to TfL, they should have used
that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the
ocean.
In order to give good advice, we really do need to see whatever
documents you have, so please post them here. Also there is a
website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options may
be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years", because
the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions has
been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.
#Post#: 75684--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 9, 2025, 8:08 pm
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Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only redact
your name & address, please leave everything else visible.
The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay.
Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there
was a PCN to challenge?
And contact Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
as advised by
[member=12]Incandescent[/member] above.
#Post#: 75757--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 10, 2025, 7:03 am
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--- Quote from: bwolf9999 link ---
>
> Hi all
>
> Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The
online account now says - Current status Late Statement
Refused/Statement Not Granted.
>
> What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125
without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put
things on hold for a while ?
>
>
--- End Quote ---
As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have
2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and
an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you
can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time
Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee
to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will
usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at
form EX160 for details.
Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
#Post#: 75759--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: June 10, 2025, 7:12 am
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--- Quote from: bwolf9999 link ---
>
> Hi all
>
> What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125
without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put
things on hold for a while ?
--- End Quote ---
This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept
payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the
enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The
following page from my website explains in more details
Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-page/council-tax-and-non-domestic-rates/can-i-avoid-bailiff-fees-by-paying-the-council
#Post#: 75778--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 8:40 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Please post up the Notice of Enforcement from CDER. Only
redact your name & address, please leave everything else
visible.
>
> The Notice should have given you seven clear days to pay.
Sundays and bank holidays are not clear days.
>
> If you didn't receive the original PCN how did you know there
was a PCN to challenge?
>
> And contact Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
as advised by
[member=12]Incandescent[/member] above.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi mate,
I have attached it here, from what I can see they did not give
me 7 clear days.
I had all my post redirected so recieved the first pcn, but not
the rejection of appeal, I found that in my junk mail months
later and then looked online, I had moved house and everything
was all over the place but I am sure I changed the v5 in time
but as i have sold the car now (2 weeks after the pcn) i have no
proof.
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#Post#: 75780--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 8:41 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Well, join the list of people who delay, (or never) update the
name and address on their V5 Registration Certificate !
> You have failed to receive : -
> - response to your reps to TfL
> - Charge Certificate
> - Order for Recovery
>
> All statutory enforcement documents are sent to the address on
the V5C for the vehicle, although if you gave your current
address on your representations to TfL, they should have used
that. However, that's all water under the bridge now, and in the
ocean.
>
> In order to give good advice, we really do need to see
whatever documents you have, so please post them here. Also
there is a website specifically dealing with bailiffs : -
> www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
>
> It would be prudent to contact them asap to see what options
may be open to you. How many years abroad is "a few years",
because the decriminalised enforcement of traffic contraventions
has been around for well over a decade, and parking since 1991.
>
--- End Quote ---
Will post all the docs I have a bit later
#Post#: 75781--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 8:42 am
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--- Quote from: Bailiff Advice link ---
>
> [quote author=bwolf9999 link=topic=6733.msg75604#msg75604
date=1749495937]
> Hi all
>
> Is there anything I can do to put the dogs on hold ? The
online account now says - Current status Late Statement
Refused/Statement Not Granted.
>
> What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125
without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put
things on hold for a while ?
>
>
--- End Quote ---
As your Out of Time Application has been refused, you only have
2 options available...one is to pay before a visit is made and
an enforcement fee of £235 added to the account, secondly, you
can seek a 'review' of the rejection (of your Out of Time
Application) by submitting an N244 Application. There is a fee
to pay of £119. If you receive qualifying benefits, you will
usually be exempt from paying the fee. You would need to look at
form EX160 for details.
Bailiff Advice Online
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/
[/quote]Would the bailiffs be advised that I had applied for a
review ?
#Post#: 75791--------------------------------------------------
Re: CDER GROUP TFL
DIR By: bwolf9999
Date: June 10, 2025, 9:06 am
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--- Quote from: Bailiff Advice link ---
>
> [quote author=bwolf9999 link=topic=6733.msg75604#msg75604
date=1749495937]
> Hi all
>
> What if I went online and paid the original fine of £125
without paying the doubling plus their extra £75, would that put
things on hold for a while ?
--- End Quote ---
This would not work and furthermore, if TfL were to accept
payment, they would be required to pass the payment to the
enforcement company so that bailiff fees can be deducted. The
following page from my website explains in more details
Can I avoid Bailiff fees by paying the council direct
HTML https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-page/council-tax-and-non-domestic-rates/can-i-avoid-bailiff-fees-by-paying-the-council
[/quote]Sorry, I meant on the cder website , change the amount
from £325 to £150 and pay that, would they still chase the other
£175 ? Would it confuse matters for a while?
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