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#Post#: 82980--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: markie76
Date: July 27, 2025, 12:13 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Can we get back to registering an appeal.
>
> The trigger for the tribunal is the date of issue of the NOR,
not the date of an email copy.
>
> The authority re-offering the discount has NO effect on the
tribunal's timetable or the regulations.
>
> Register your appeal NOW or risk losing your opportunity and
therefore by default £160.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK.
So should I appeal in line with my challenge that from my riding
position looking at the traffic light on the right handside of
the road I wasn't aware of any prohibition type on certain
vehicles due to inadequate signage and cite the 3 allowed appeal
cases.
EDIT: Add something highlighting that other bus gates on the
same road do have signs on both sides of the road, like at Great
Russell Str & Store Street)
(GSV:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/NoumFjzn68ZWxHFHA
&
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GDYUCYdAqCLHbVh29)
Add to that, there is no other form of 'advance notice' of the
timed prohibition as the signage the council have included in
their NOR being beyond the point where the prohibition begins
making it at that point unsafe to change direction of travel
(even if you see it as it is high up and angled slightly
inwards) e.g. if a bus was behind you.
Also the picture of the left hand side traffic light with left
blue arrow (also included with the NOR) directing all traffic
to turn left into Howland Street before the prohibition begins.
This is both misleading and conflicting because; The blue arrow
instructs all traffic except busses and cycles to turn left 24/7
while the Council claims the prohibition on cetain vehicles
being allowed to travel straight ahead applies only between 8am
& 7pm.
- Can the alleged '33H' contravention even occur due to the turn
left blue arrow which applies to all vehicles (except bus &
cycles) 24/7 on the traffic light before it?
#Post#: 82983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 27, 2025, 1:14 pm
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Stop compiling War and Peace.
AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than
'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.
#Post#: 82993--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: markie76
Date: July 27, 2025, 2:11 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Stop compiling War and Peace.
>
> AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more
than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal
reps.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't
introduce any new appeal points?
#Post#: 83000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 27, 2025, 2:50 pm
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--- Quote ---
> OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't
introduce any new appeal points?
--- End Quote ---
No, you can submit further points before the hearing: you can
also respond to any points raised by the Council in their
aevidence pack.
#Post#: 83006--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:08 pm
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The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per
your PM?
#Post#: 83007--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: markie76
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote]OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I
can't introduce any new appeal points?
--- End Quote ---
No, you can submit further points before the hearing: you can
also respond to any points raised by the Council in their
aevidence pack.
[/quote]
Done online.
2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to
have someone represent me changed?
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#Post#: 83008--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: markie76
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per
your PM?
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] terrible timing, if only you
were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you
requested in your PM of the 24th.
#Post#: 83010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:31 pm
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--- Quote ---
> 2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to
have someone represent me changed?
--- End Quote ---
Yes and Yes.
Follow Hippocrates' advice.
#Post#: 83012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: markie76
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:38 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote]2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and
option to have someone represent me changed?
--- End Quote ---
Yes and Yes.
Follow Hippocrates' advice.
[/quote]
I got the email confirmation with 'The tribunal will consider
your appeal and let you know if it is accepted within 7 days'
:'(
I will once I get some... :'(
#Post#: 83013--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local
buses & cycles only - URGENT
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 27, 2025, 3:39 pm
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--- Quote from: markie76 link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=6732.msg83006#msg83006
date=1753646905]
> The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per
your PM?
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] terrible timing, if only you
were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you
requested in your PM of the 24th.
[/quote]
Please tell me what you have done and written.
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