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#Post#: 89726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: September 12, 2025, 5:11 pm
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So Brent got back to me about the sign authorisation saying the
below:
Wembley Stadium is a public transport venue. The scheme’s
restrictions are enforced to ensure that the area remains
congestion free, and that minimum
disruption is caused to the local community by visitors to the
stadium. Anyone parking illegally in the event day zone is
liable to receive a Penalty Charge Notice
and may have their vehicle removed.
Event day restrictions operate between 8am and midnight on main
roads to the stadium, and generally between 10am and midnight
elsewhere outside Controlled
Parking Zones (i.e. streets which do not have parking controls
on non-event days).
In Controlled Parking Zones within the scheme area, the
restrictions are 10am to midnight, and zone T (Brentfield Road)
which operates at all times.
Also in Controlled Parking Zones within the scheme area,
existing residents’, business and other permits remain valid. In
streets outside the CPZs, the Council
offers a range of event day permits as follows:
 Event day resident permit
 Event day visitor permit
 Event day business permit
 Event day school permit
 Event day place of worship permit
Originally, Event Day Permits were paper-based and not
vehicle-specific.. Residents are required to ensure that the
permit is clearly displayed in the vehicle
windscreen on event days to avoid being issued with a Penalty
Charge Notice.
Since June 2019, all Event Day Permits are issued as
vehicle-specific, valid for three years, and a flat rate charge
is made to contribute to the administrative cost of
issuing the permit. These are also now issued as virtual
permits, and the registration number of the registered vehicle
is automatically recognised when
checked by a Civil Enforcement Officer.
Applicants for an event day resident permit will have their
residential status checked in the same way as other applicants
for a resident permit. The maximum
number of event day permits that can be purchased per eligible
household is three. Residents of private roads in the scheme
area are also entitled to permits to allow
them to park in enforceable parts of the event day zone during
an event.
Eligible households can also obtain event day visitor permits
subject to a maximum of two per household. Residents of private
roads in the scheme area are
not entitled to visitor permits
The authorisation for the signage requirements is indeed
authorised by the Secretary of State for Transport, under
section 64 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.
Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 1 Introduction
Does this new information help my case?
#Post#: 89805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 13, 2025, 11:49 am
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IMO, yes.
"controlled parking zone”
Is 'an area........
.......
(ii)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been
indicated by the sign provided for at item 1 or 3 of the sign
table in Part 3 of Schedule 5 [Traffic Signs Regs]
......
"Controlled” may be varied to “Meter”, “Disc”, “Ticket”, “Disc
and Meter”, “Disc and Ticket” or “Pay and Display"
The regs:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/5
Their repeated references to Controlled Parking Zone and the
detail of their response can only lead to a single conclusion:
the council consider that the area is within a Controlled
Parking Zone.
The regs specify the signs which MUST be used to indicate such
zones.
The sign in situ is not so specified.
See what others say.
#Post#: 96114--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: October 29, 2025, 4:58 pm
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Hi all
Brent have issued the NTO
Any advice on where to go from here?
What do you think the probability of me winning the case is?
Best wishes and thanks again in advance
#Post#: 96121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 29, 2025, 5:42 pm
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--- Quote from: user334232 link ---
>
> Hi all
>
> Brent have issued the NTO
>
> Any advice on where to go from here?
>
> What do you think the probability of me winning the case is?
>
> Best wishes and thanks again in advance
>
--- End Quote ---
If you now have the Notice to Owner, you should submit the same
representations, but updated following comments made in this
thread. The discount option has gone, (although they may
re-offer it when rejecting your formal reps), Absolutely no
point in paying the NtO, wait until your reps are inevitably
rejected, then if they re-offer the discount you can make a
decision whether to take them to adjudication at London
Tribunals, or pay up.
As to the probability of a win, Stamfordman has said that with
the right arguments on the appeal, this is winnable. Essentially
it's a double-or-quits gamble.
#Post#: 96160--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 30, 2025, 7:17 am
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If you read back HC Andersen has provided the basis of reps.
I'll try and draw this together or maybe he will but he's been
moving house.
What is the date of the NTO.
#Post#: 96202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: October 30, 2025, 11:17 am
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Dated the 28th Oct. Arrived yday
#Post#: 96213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 30, 2025, 12:21 pm
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Loads of time. Bump the thread to nudge us.
#Post#: 102721--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: December 16, 2025, 3:35 pm
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Hi all
Unsuprisingly received the NoR from Brent with the payment
reduced back to £80...
Please could you gurus weigh in on whether you think this case
is worth taking to tribunal?
Brent didnt give me any reason for rejection
Best wishes
#Post#: 102742--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 16, 2025, 4:48 pm
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Let's see what you sent and their rejection.
#Post#: 102762--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: December 16, 2025, 6:39 pm
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Dear London Borough of Brent,
Your informal rejection states that:
There may not be yellow lines and/or marked bays on the
road/street in certain areas within
the event day zone (usually Environmental and/or Conservation
Areas) to indicate that it is a
restricted street – sign plates would indicate where permit
holders only can park within the
zone. The signage requirements within the event day zone have
been authorised by The
Secretary of State for Transport.
Be that as it may, there are only two types of zone that do not
require signs and marked bays,
these are Restricted Parking Zones and Permit Parking Areas, the
zone in question is neither.
When entering an RPZ or a PPA a motorist is put on notice by the
zone boundary sign that
the restrictions will not necessarily be signposted on the
streets within the zone, and that
alerts the driver to look for signs even if there are none in
the vicinity of his chosen parking
location and the road appears otherwise unrestricted.
However even with a PPA or an RPZ, a marked parking bay would be
accompanied by an
upright sign to inform road users of the terms of use of the
bay, given that the bay signifies a
departure from the requirement for a permit (for a PPA) or the
prohibition on waiting and/or
loading (for an RPZ), such that if one were to find a marked bay
within either an RPZ or a
PPA without an upright sign the signage would not necessarily be
adequate in any event.
The zone you have created is not a PPA or an RPZ and whatever
the status of authorisation of
the signage might be, the council is subject to an overriding
duty under regulation 18(1)
of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England
and Wales) Regulations 1996,
which for brevity I will call the LATOR 18 duty.
The LATOR 18 duty requires the provision of signage which, when
looked at as a whole,
provides adequate information as to the effect of the traffic
management order, such that
persons using the road are adequately informed of the effects of
the traffic management order
without recourse to other sources such as performing an online
search.
The LATOR 18 duty also includes the following at paragraph c:
in a case where the order revokes, amends or alters the
application of a previous order, the
removal or replacement of existing traffic signs as the
authority considers requisite to avoid
confusion to road users by signs being left in the wrong
positions.
In this instance the council has left a marked bay with no
upright sign, this misleadingly
creates confusion for persons using the road because in all
circumstances (including RPZs,
PPAs and red route) a white bay with no sign would indicate that
parking is permitted
without any restrictions. It follows that the white bay
markings, in the absence of a regulatory
sign, are liable to cause confusion to road users. It is also
well known that a parking bay is
only subject to the restrictions indicated on the sign for the
bay, and motorists are often
warned not to rely on signs away from the bay because they
cannot rely on such signs to
determine the restrictions within a bay.
My vehicle was parked in the long marked parking place outside
126 to 104 Windermere
Avenue. There is no traffic plate within that parking place and
none mounted on lamp
columns 26 or 27 that sit within the bay.
While LATOR 18 imposes a duty on local authorities, in
Nottingham City Council, R (on the
application of) v Bus Lane Adjudicator & Ors [2017] EWHC 430
(Admin) the High Court
confirmed that:
It is well-established that a failure to comply with the
regulation 18 duty as to signage is a
proper ground on which an adjudicator may allow an appeal
against the issue of a penalty
charge notice on the ground that the alleged contravention of
the relevant traffic regulation
order did not occur. (See R (London Borough of Camden) v. The
Parking Adjudicator [2011]
EWHC 295 (Admin), per Burnett J. at [50] – [51]).
In light of the failure to discharge the obligations under
regulation 18 of LATOR the alleged
contravention did not occur, and the penalty charge must be
cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
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Link to council response
HTML https://imgbox.com/LM3YjMnD
I'm a bit confused because it says that I will receive other
info in a Notice of Rejection letter, but surely this is the
notice of rejection?
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