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#Post#: 87431--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2025, 9:10 am
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It's a zone repeater sign as I said earlier.
There is a real PPA in a cup de sac nearby that just says permit
holders only on event days and there are no bays beyond.
It's a muddle.
#Post#: 87433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: August 27, 2025, 9:16 am
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So do you think I should just cough up the 80? 😔
#Post#: 87442--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2025, 9:55 am
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I think it's worth going but see what Mr Andersen says.
#Post#: 87451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 27, 2025, 10:27 am
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On ** I parked in a parking bay o/s no. 104/106 Windermere
Avenue;
This parking bay extends from 104 to 126 Windermere Avenue;
There are 2 lamp columns situated within the bay, these being
numbered 26 and 27;
Neither of these carries a traffic sign regarding parking
neither is such a sign displayed anywhere within the bay.
At ** on ** a PCN was attached to my car alleging the following
contravention: ********;
On *** I made informal representations that the contravention
did not occur which were rejected by letter dated *** which gave
as its main reason:
The PCN was issued because the car was parked in a permit space
or zone without displaying a valid virtual or clearly
displaying a valid physical permit.
It therefore falls to the authority to prove that I was parked
at a location which required the display etc. of a permit. Its
evidence in this regard is a sign stating 'Permit holders in
marked bays on event days 10 am - Midnight'. It is an irony
which cannot be lost on the authority that this sign (which it
must be remembered is its evidence) is situated on lamp column
no. 25 which is not even situated in the parking bay, but on a
lamp column 30m away from the location.
Of course it lies with the authority as judges in their own
cause for the moment to reject these representations in the
misguided belief that the provisions of s18 of the Local
Authorities' Traffic Order (Procedure) Regs do not apply.
I would suggest that an adjudicator would take a different view.
If the authority wishes to enforce the bay o/s 104-126
Windermere Avenue then it is required to place the required
traffic sign(s) within the bay (either or both of the otherwise
unused lamp columns would suffice) with, in this case, reference
to 'Event days'. Without such signage any references to 'Event
days' on CPZ signs are irrelevant and cannot as a matter of law
create the basis for enforcement of a penalty at the location.
The contravention did not occur.
A bit OTT perhaps, but their complacency and arrogance gets my
goat.
#Post#: 87456--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2025, 10:41 am
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It's not a CPZ though - it's a 'permit zone'.
There is also the test of whether the event day(s) on the zone
entrance can be evidenced by Brent.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/nWHEUkX.png
#Post#: 87472--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 27, 2025, 12:31 pm
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Is it Wembley Stadium Event Day zone or Wembley Stadium Permit
Zone?
There's no provision for 'Event Day zone' in TSRGD.
The burden is on the council to prove that it may dispense with
signs in individual bays by placing Permit Zone signs at vehicle
entrances.
And what's in 'marked bays'?
#Post#: 87569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: August 28, 2025, 11:12 am
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Where can I look to see if they can dispense of bay signs?
#Post#: 87585--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 28, 2025, 1:24 pm
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'The next step is a notice to owner to which you make formal
reps.'
So make formal reps and let the authority justify its position:
they have to prove, not you disprove.
#Post#: 87596--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: August 28, 2025, 2:37 pm
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Will this not cost me the full £160 (!!!) if they win? Sorry I
am unfamiliar with the process
#Post#: 87611--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 28, 2025, 3:50 pm
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--- Quote from: user334232 link ---
>
> Will this not cost me the full £160 (!!!) if they win? Sorry I
am unfamiliar with the process
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, yes.That is how the process works. The discount is an
admittance of the alleged contravention, not just a bonus for
early settlement. In the criminal law, pleading guilty usually
results in a lighter sentence
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