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#Post#: 75360--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: June 8, 2025, 9:04 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> It's a huge zone and it's worth retracing your route to the
parking place. They may not be able to show the event day date
was displayed.
>
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If they cannot prove this, is my case void? No way for me to
check if there was an event sign displayed as I didn't check at
the time
#Post#: 75364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: June 8, 2025, 9:37 am
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On google earth you can see the council removed a sign (opposite
where I parked) which detailed where and when you could park in
the bays
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/zgZ50G9.jpeg
#Post#: 75380--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 8, 2025, 11:04 am
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Can we get facts in play pl.
A stand-alone parking place indicated by prescribed road
markings is situated outside 126-104 Windermere Avenue.
GSV(10 months old) shows that there isn't a traffic sign within
or in the vicinity of this parking place.
Therefore there are NO parking restrictions to contravene.
It is NOT a permit parking area because it's marked but doesn't
have a traffic sign. In a PPA bays are either UNMARKED parking
places reserved for the permit holders on the entrance sign OR
may be used by other users in accordance with the traffic sign
within the MARKED areas.
You are neither.
#Post#: 75416--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: June 8, 2025, 12:58 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
>
> It is NOT a permit parking area because it's marked but
doesn't have a traffic sign. In a PPA bays are either UNMARKED
parking places reserved for the permit holders on the entrance
sign OR may be used by other users in accordance with the
traffic sign within the MARKED areas.
>
> You are neither.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry I don’t quite follow. Am I at fault or are the
council wrong?
#Post#: 75445--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 8, 2025, 3:23 pm
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We've established that it isn't signed or marked as anything
that is standard.
It's not a CPZ - they have all kerbsides controlled in some way
It's not a PPA as such - as I said it's sort of a reverse PPA
where permit bays are marked, but PPAs have unmarked kerbsides
and non-permit holders would have specific signed bays, if any
such bays were put in.
It's not an RPZ (restricted parking zone).
Strangely there is nothing in the register for Windermere Avenue
since 2013 but there is this - but maybe it was a CPZ back then:
2120129386
I have carefully considered the evidence adduced and I am not
satisfied that the signage is adequate. I have heard the
Appellant give evidence and I find this account to be credible
and reliable, and supported by photographic evidence. I am
satisfied that there was no signage in the bay in which his
vehicle was parked, that the signage at the beginning of the
street (a Controlled Parking Zone sign) would only have any
relevance to his vehicle if the bay was marked as a permit bay
(which I have found it was not). The parking attendant has
produced photographs of the signage, but as they were taken at
night it is not possible to establish where they were in
relation to where the vehicle was parked.
I therefore allow the appeal.
#Post#: 75447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: June 8, 2025, 3:31 pm
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Many thanks
So basically the same case as me, and they won
Do you think I’ll have to take this to tribunal though
#Post#: 87397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: August 27, 2025, 6:07 am
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Hi all,
Unsurprisingly they have rejected my appeal. Is it worth taking
to tribunal? Their response is attached. Thanks
#Post#: 87420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 27, 2025, 8:05 am
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The next step is a notice to owner to which you make formal
reps.
We think they can't have a 'marked bay' without a parking sign.
This in the rejection seems to say it's a permit parking area in
part but it's muddle.
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/Vfd47eT.png
#Post#: 87428--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 27, 2025, 8:35 am
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OP, the traffic sign photo in their reply is out of focus.
What does THIS sign say?
#Post#: 87429--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent, code 16 parked in a permit zone on event day,
Windermere Avenue, on street parking bay
DIR By: user334232
Date: August 27, 2025, 8:50 am
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This sign says: Permit holders in
marked bays on event days
10 am - Midnight
Although this sign was NOT in my bay it was in other bays. Not
sure why the warden photographed and attached that sign if it’s
not in my bay.
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