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#Post#: 75293--------------------------------------------------
Airport drop off zone
DIR By: movano
Date: June 7, 2025, 3:31 pm
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Registered keepers vehicle allegedly drove through a drop off
zone at Manchester airport T1 around 2 weeks ago. The keeper has
now received a pcn from APCOA PARKING.
It was around 10pm. Can this be appealed please
TIA
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Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: b789
Date: June 7, 2025, 3:37 pm
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Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity
is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known
keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal
the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or
assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. Only appeal as the Keeper. No
need to embellish or remove anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the registered keeper. APCOA cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, APCOA will
be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because
Manchester Airport is not 'relevant land'.
>
> If Manchester Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable
under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift
and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not
pleaded, it is also not legally possible because APCOA is not
the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never
attempts to be a penalty. It is created for APCOA's own profit
(as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse)
and APCOA has relied on contract law allegations of breach
against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
APCOA have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
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Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: movano
Date: June 7, 2025, 4:07 pm
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Thank you b789 for quick reply.
I have attempted to log into the appeal site at APCOA and
details are not showing now, a pop up message states
It looks like our system can’t currently find a match
It did few days ago along with photos of vehicle
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Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: movano
Date: June 8, 2025, 3:49 am
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Apologies, can someone please explain statutory control in
regards to airports please
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Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: jfollows
Date: June 8, 2025, 4:31 am
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--- Quote from: movano link ---
>
> Apologies, can someone please explain statutory control in
regards to airports please
>
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What do you mean by ‘statutory control’?
What may not be the answer to your question: some land,
especially railway, port and airport land is covered by byelaws
which define how transgressions such as parking without paying
are treated.
The major point is that these transgressions are criminal
offences and have to be prosecuted as such, with any money
resulting going to the Crown.
Companies like APCOA like to pretend this isn’t the case, and
try to treat the land as if byelaws didn’t exist, so that they
get any money instead.
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Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: b789
Date: June 8, 2025, 5:12 am
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In order to be able to transfer liability for the charge from
the unknown driver to the known keeper, the operator has to
comply with all the requirements of PoFA. However PoFA does not
apply to land that is under statutory control, such as airports,
which are covered by statutory byelaws.
As such, land under statutory control means that there can be no
keeper liability. As APCOA have no idea who the driver is,
unless the Keeper blabs it to them, the have to cancel the PCN.
#Post#: 81000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: movano
Date: July 14, 2025, 5:31 pm
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Hi again.
I have today received a debt letter from Debt Recovery Plus for
the amount of £170. I did not appeal straight away as I did't
know how to, however, I did visit the appeal site and it was
there.
I then was in a position to appeal following your instructions
but on doing so my details had disappeared from the site, I
tried several times to sign in but it was gone and did not
recognise my details.
#Post#: 81300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Airport drop off zone
DIR By: b789
Date: July 16, 2025, 11:07 am
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Too late to appeal now. All you can do now is weather the
useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to
do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on
the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.
APCOA do not litigate so, eventually, it will all stop. It's
just a pity you din't appeal in time as you could have avoided
all the wasted paper from the powerless debt collectors.
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