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#Post#: 77887--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: b789
Date: June 24, 2025, 7:25 am
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I wouldn't worry about anything. You are dealing with the IAS, a
corrupt and incestuous firm of liars and extortionists. They are
paid by the very firms that they are supposed to be adjudicating
and the owners of the IAS are the same owners of the IPC, the
Accredited Trade Association that operates the Approved Operator
Scheme that permits the very same bottom-dwelling, unregulated
private firms to issue the PCNs in the first place and to access
the DVLA data.
They are not an authority or a legal entity that can do
anything. Just accept their terms and get on with it. You have a
less than 4% chance of a successful appeal with the IAS, so stop
worrying about it.
#Post#: 78101--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: Bob_A
Date: June 25, 2025, 6:22 am
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Hi. I got this back today
Operator's Prima Facie Case
The operator made their Prima Facie Case on 25/06/2025 11:47:39.
The operator reported that...
The appellant was the keeper.
The operator is seeking keeper liability in accordance with
PoFA..
ANPR/CCTV was used.
The Notice to Keeper was sent on 02/06/2025.
A response was received from the Notice to Keeper.
The ticket was issued on 28/05/2025.
The Notice to Keeper (ANPR) was sent in accordance with PoFA.
The charge is based in Contract.
The operator made the following comments...
The appellant has been captured by ANPR entering and leaving the
car park.
The vehicle was at the car park for 10 minutes and 16 seconds,
evidence of this can be seen in the 'PCN Information'.
The appellant has parked within the car park and did not
register their vehicle.
Signage clearly states, “ALL VEHICLES MUST HOLD A VALID UK
CPM E-PERMIT. VEHICLES HOLDING A VALID E-PERMIT FOR AN ALLOCATED
BAY OR AREA MUST PARK WITHIN THE CORRESPONDING BAY OR AREA".
Our records indicate that vehicle registration LX59XHA was not
registered on the E-Permit system, however other vehicles are
registered on the E-Permit system on the date of contravention.
This can be seen in the 'PCN INFO'.
The signage is clear within the area and states the terms and
conditions for parking. It is the driver's responsibility to
ensure they register their vehicle. This is the only way we can
determine which vehicles are authorised to be parked within the
restricted area.
Signage and Site Plan
Clear and prominent signage is installed throughout the site in
accordance with the IPC Code of Practice.
Signage clearly displays the terms and conditions of parking,
including the consequences of non-compliance.
A site plan and photographs of signage in situ are available and
can be provided to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS) upon
escalation.
Authority to Operate and Issue PCNs
We operate under a valid, current agreement with the landowner
that grants authority to manage parking and issue PCNs in our
name.
This agreement complies with Section 14 of the IPC Code of
Practice (formerly PPSCoP), including confirmation of the land
boundary, signage, terms, and enforcement rights.
A copy of this agreement, with necessary redactions for
confidentiality, is available for review by the IAS.
Enforcement System (ANPR or Patrol)
The site uses [ANPR/manual patrol] systems that are regularly
tested, calibrated, and maintained to ensure accuracy and
reliability.
Time-stamped images or evidence show the exact entry and exit
times of the vehicle on the date in question.
The vehicle was on-site beyond any grace period allowed under
the IPC Code of Practice.
A Grace Period has been given to allow motorists sufficient time
to leave the restricted area once the permitted parking period
has expired. As the appellant's vehicle remained within the area
after this time, it was parked in breach of the parking
restrictions within the area, and subsequently they were issued
a parking charge notice.
Notice to Keeper & PoFA Compliance
The Notice to Keeper issued complies fully with the requirements
of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
It includes all mandatory information, was sent within the
statutory timeframe, and meets the conditions necessary to
pursue the registered keeper for the charge.
Appeals Process and IAS Concerns
The IAS is an accredited independent appeals service, and we
follow their decision-making process in full.
While you are entitled to raise concerns about transparency, all
assessors are qualified professionals and decisions are based on
evidence and compliance with legal and contractual standards.
Case Law Cited
We are aware of VCS v HMRC and ParkingEye v Beavis. Our signage
and enforcement procedures are consistent with the principles
outlined in those rulings.
Contractual terms are clearly displayed, and the charge issued
is proportionate and legally enforceable.
By the appellant parking at the restricted area, they have
contractually agreed to pay the parking charge notice.
They are now asking to respond
Response to Operator
The Operator has provided the evidence above which he says
proves that you are, on the face of it, responsible for the
parking charge in question.
You now have TWO options:
1) SUBMIT YOUR RESPONSE - You can respond to the evidence by
making any representations that you consider to be relevant as
to the lawfulness of the charge any by uploading any extra
photographs or other evidence that you may have. After you
submit your response, and the operator doesn't provide any more
information you will not have the ability to add to or amend
your submission. If the operator provides more information or
evidence you will then have another chance to respond. You have
until 02/07/2025 23:59 to submit your response if this is the
route you wish to take.
- OR -
2) REFER THE CASE STRAIGHT TO ARBITRATION - If you think you do
not need to add any more information or evidence, for example if
you consider that the information provided is not capable of
showing that you are, on the face of it, responsible for the
parking charge, then you may choose this option. Neither party
will have the opportunity of making more representations and the
Adjudicator will decide, on the balance of probabilities,
whether you are liable for the parking charge.
Response to Operator:
1000 words left
Submit response
or
Refer The Case Straight To Arbitration
What do I do now?
Thanks in advance :)
What gets me is they have no photos of the car parked, only it
entering and leaving the area. So they could apply this racket
to any delivery, taxi or other service.
#Post#: 78166--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: b789
Date: June 25, 2025, 12:07 pm
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Just do a search for some very recent cases where there is an
IAS operator case response.
Yes, the system is rigged. Even taxi drivers and delivery people
get stung in this scam. Unfortunately, most people don't know
what we know and get stung.
You are dealing with unregulated private firms and until the
government implements the long delayed Act, nothings going to
change. Get on to your MP and have them ask questions.
#Post#: 78222--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: Bob_A
Date: June 25, 2025, 3:04 pm
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I’ve done a search on here for ‘IAS’ within the last 30 days
I couldn’t find a mention of a suitable response to them at this
stage of the process.
What I did learn is they are a waste of time.
So am I right to assume rather than go for
1)
I choose
2)
I thought it best to make sure and ask, just in case I’ve missed
something
#Post#: 78252--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: b789
Date: June 26, 2025, 2:51 am
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Here's one I suggested just 2 days ago!
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/one-parking-solution-may-baker-club-car-park/msg77843/#msg77843
#Post#: 78266--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: Bob_A
Date: June 26, 2025, 4:46 am
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Good job I asked and made sure then!
I will cut and paste exactly as written.
Thank you for continued support :)
Edit
It seems I can't cut and paste, so I will have to type in it
manually.
They must do that on purpose. Still that won't stop me!
#Post#: 81563--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: Bob_A
Date: July 18, 2025, 8:13 am
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I've had a reply but before that in my last post I mentioned
that they had disabled cutting and pasting on the appeals
website.
After a bit googling I managed to overcome that.
For anyone interested google "unable to cut and paste on website
javascript"
Here is the reply
Dear xxx
The Independent Appeals Service (IAS) has received a decision
from the Independent Adjudicator regarding your recent appeal
for the below PCN.
Parking Charge Number (PCN): xxxx
Vehicle Registration: xxx
Date Issued: 28/05/2025
Appeal Outcome: Dismissed
The Adjudicators comments are as follows:
"It is important that the Appellant understands that the
adjudicator is not in a position to give his legal advice. The
adjudicator's role is to look at whether the parking charge has
a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of
each particular case. The adjudicator's decision is not legally
binding on the Appellant (it is intended to be a guide) and they
are free to obtain independent legal advice if they so wish.
However, the adjudicator is legally qualified (a barrister or
solicitor) and decides the appeal according to their
understanding of the law and legal principles.
The terms of this appeal are that I am only allowed to consider
the charge being appealed and not the circumstances of other
drivers or other parking events. The guidance to this appeal
also makes it clear that I am bound by the law of contract and
can only consider legal challenges not mistakes or extenuating
circumstances. I am satisfied that the Operator's signage, which
was on display throughout the site, makes it sufficiently clear
that the terms and conditions are in force at all times and that
a PCN will be issued to drivers who fail to comply with the
terms and conditions, regardless of a driver's reasons for being
on site or any mitigating factors. While noting their comments,
it is clear from the evidence provided to this appeal that the
Appellant did indeed enter and use the site otherwise than in
accordance with the displayed terms by failing to ensure that
their vehicle was properly registered with a valid E-permit on
this occasion, having been allowed an adequate consideration
period prior to the charge being issued. It is the driver's
(rather than a third party's) responsibility to ensure that the
terms and conditions of parking are properly complied with. I am
satisfied on the evidence provided that the Operator has the
authority to issue and enforce PCNs at this site. I am further
satisfied as to the location of the contravention, that the
correct vehicle has been identified entering and exiting the
chargeable area at the times suggested in the images provided
and that the correct Appellant is pursued.
I am satisfied that the Operator has proven their prima facie
case. Whilst having some sympathy with the Appellant's
circumstances, once liability has been established, only the
Operator has the discretion to vary or cancel the parking charge
based on mitigating circumstances. Accordingly this appeal is
dismissed.
"
As your appeal has been dismissed, the Independent Adjudicator
has found, upon the evidence provided, that the parking charge
was lawfully incurred.
As this appeal has not been resolved in your favour, the IAS is
unable to intervene further in this matter.
You should contact the operator within 28 days to make payment
of the charge.
Should you continue to contest the charge then you should
consider obtaining independent legal advice.
Yours Sincerely,
The Independent Appeals Service
What happens now please :o
#Post#: 81566--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: b789
Date: July 18, 2025, 8:20 am
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Nothing happens now! You were told that the IAS is a corrupt
scam and the odds of ever having an IAS appeal win is less than
4%.
Their decision is not binding on you and you certainly don't
pay. You will have to now weather the useless debt recovery
letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to
try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to
pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (loC).
#Post#: 86735--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: Bob_A
Date: August 22, 2025, 4:39 am
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Hello again
I received this letter today. Please could you tell me the next
step
Many thanks
#Post#: 86736--------------------------------------------------
Re: UK Car Park Management- Fined while waiting to pick up a
passenger
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 22, 2025, 4:42 am
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> Please could you tell me the next step
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The previous reply from b789 covers this.
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