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#Post#: 74593--------------------------------------------------
Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 3, 2025, 12:36 pm
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Hi there,
I got a ticket through the post saying the driver park at a
Sainsburys car park without displaying a blue badge, the ticket
saying if you are not the driver then to give the drivers
details but does not mention how to provide the details of the
driver, i got a letter today from debit recovery company asking
for money.
Any idea what I can do.
Thanks
#Post#: 74604--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: Sander333
Date: June 3, 2025, 12:55 pm
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You need to show the NTK for appropriate advice under normal
circumstances you could make representations to Sainsbury’s
Management in order to cancel.
#Post#: 74649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: b789
Date: June 3, 2025, 3:41 pm
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READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
#Post#: 74939--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 5, 2025, 8:49 am
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Hi there,
Please see attached NTK
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Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: b789
Date: June 5, 2025, 10:46 am
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Is the Vehicle hired or leased? Have you made any
representations to ECP? Have you asked Sainsbury's to get the
PCN cancelled?
Under no circumstances identify the driver. You are the Hirer.
You only refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this
or that", only "the driver did this or that".
This is because ECP have not complied with PoFA 2012 and
therefore cannot transfer liability from the unknown (to them)
driver to the known Hirer.
However, as it is too late to appeal now, assuming you have not
done so already, it will need handling slightly differently. The
important thing you should know is that as long as you follow
our advice, you won't be paying a penny to ECP.
So, please answer my initial questions before we can proceed.
#Post#: 75157--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 6, 2025, 10:34 am
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Is the Vehicle hired or leased? Yes leased
Have you made any representations to ECP? No was looking to see
how I can inform the company that I was not the driver but
couldn’t see any details on the NTK
Have you asked Sainsbury's to get the PCN cancelled? No I didn’t
know I could
#Post#: 75170--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: b789
Date: June 6, 2025, 11:53 am
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Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity
is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known Hirer
(the recipient of the Notice to Hirer (NtH)) to reveal the
identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions
can be made.
The NtH is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known Hirer.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the Hirer of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Hirer (NtH) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the Hirer
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
>
> The Hirer cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the
driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law
of agency. Your NtH can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no
hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste
of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 75397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 8, 2025, 11:47 am
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I tried to appeal on the ECP website it says I can’t appeal to
them and to contact the debt recovery company to appeal to them.
What should I do, should I send what you wrote to the debt
recovery company?
#Post#: 75399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 8, 2025, 11:54 am
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Just to confirm the vehicle is leased from motability and my
name is on the logbook does that make any difference or is that
the same as leasing.
#Post#: 75402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking ticket at Sainsburys car park
DIR By: b789
Date: June 8, 2025, 12:01 pm
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If the vehicle is on lease from Motability, your name cannot be
on the logbook (V5C) as you are not the Keeper. Leased vehicles
from Motability are registered to Motability Operations Ltd as
far as I am aware.
You are the Hirer. What have you received from Motability about
this PCN? What have you had from ECP in YOUR name?
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