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Re: FPN APCOA for Hillingdon Council PH parked in PSPO space
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 11, 2025, 6:24 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> FWIW, my take is that the intention of this provision is to
prevent a double whammy but doesn't preclude a FPN when criminal
and decriminalised activities are taking place together.
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I'm not sure that's the case, there are anti-double whammy
provisions for moving traffic & bus lanes that say that any PCN
must be cancelled if the police are taking action / and FPN has
been issued. For parking, it just seems to be a blanket ban on
criminal proceedings.
Otherwise what's to stop a council making a PSPO that mirrors
all its traffic orders and then enforcing them all under the
criminal law?
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Re: FPN APCOA for Hillingdon Council PH parked in PSPO space
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 11, 2025, 10:12 am
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..because to do so would be outside the scope of the Act, s59
refers:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/12/part/4/chapter/2
How the council justify such a blanket PSPO as regards coverage
i.e. whole wards, seems odd when, as mentioned, other measures
would, on the face of it seem sufficient e.g. PCNs etc.
But we don't know what life was like for residents. 20+ hours of
PHVs, taxis and whatever lurking in this estate waiting for
their passengers just to save airport charges perhaps?
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Re: FPN APCOA for Hillingdon Council PH parked in PSPO space
DIR By: AWPH
Date: June 12, 2025, 5:18 am
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Thanks for further information, H C Andersen and cp8759, it’s
very helpful and very much appreciated. As requested, please see
the back of the FPN ticket in the link below.
HTML https://imgur.com/gallery/fpn-310525-hillingdon-apcoa-back-sxZOnht
I’m going to appeal via the following link, as it can’t seem to
harm my case, even if turned down, in which case I simply pay
the fine.
HTML https://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/13815/Challenge-a-Fixed-Penalty-Notice-FPN
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Re: FPN APCOA for Hillingdon Council PH parked in PSPO space
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 12, 2025, 5:27 pm
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--- Quote from: AWPH link ---
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> Thanks for further information, H C Andersen and cp8759, it’s
very helpful and very much appreciated. As requested, please see
the back of the FPN ticket in the link below.
>
>
HTML https://imgur.com/gallery/fpn-310525-hillingdon-apcoa-back-sxZOnht
>
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Your link doesn't work.
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Re: FPN APCOA for Hillingdon Council PH parked in PSPO space
DIR By: AWPH
Date: June 22, 2025, 9:30 am
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Hi again,
Apologies, I thought I'd made the image public, it should work
again now:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/fpn-310525-hillingdon-apcoa-back-sxZOnht
I have good news. I appealed online to the council, on the basis
that despite having my driving licence, they spelt all 3 of my
names incorrectly, and the incident happened outside a very
different number house to the one that they reported. The
council initially replied with the following:
"Hello,
Your report to Challenge FPN reference number:
6729-5162-4215-7218 has been closed.
The closure reason provided is: Challenge to be reviewed
FPN challenge under review by APCOA
Kind regards,
The Street Scene Enforcement Team"
I then received this from APCOA:
"Thank you for your challenge in relation to the above Fixed
Penalty Notice (FPN).
Further to your enquiry concerning the FPN that was issued to
you on (31/05/2025) we can confirm under
the circumstances outlined we have on this occasion cancelled
this FPN as a goodwill gesture.
The FPN is now cancelled and requires no further action from
you. Please note that should you get
another FPN under similar circumstances this may not be
cancelled.
Kind regards
Environmental Team"
So despite how spurious my appeal was, it seems, as I hoped,
that I got off on a technicality or 2.
Similarly, the behaviour of traffic officers to particularly
Private Hire drivers around Heathrow has shifted, from polite
request to move on, to much more aggressive discussion after
they've got the cameras working. It may be worth drivers taking
photos themselves, if, for example, the APCOA officers and
colleagues park illegally themselves while trying to 'book' PH
drivers. It is also worth pointing out technical errors, which
is the point of my initial request to FTLA, as it may get you
off. Avoiding parking in the PSPO areas completely is, of
course, the best tactic, and driving away before any discussion
or photos taken may also avoid further action from the officers,
but I wouldn't guarantee it.
Thanks again for your help.
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