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#Post#: 74349--------------------------------------------------
No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: EHRob
Date: June 2, 2025, 11:55 am
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Hi FTLA experts,
Is there any way I can content this PCN issued for turning into
a street when motor vehicles weren't allowed?
This is the PCN:
HTML https://ibb.co/DDDvZrFd
The driver of the vehicle had no idea of the restrictions as the
tight angle they entered Croftdown Road (NW5) from St Albans
Road made the sign tricky to spot. They had never driven down
the street before and there was no signage before to warn of it.
You can see this in Camden's own photo:
HTML https://ibb.co/wrwq2KYz
This is the google map showing the junction where my vehicle
entered the road (9 mins b4 the restrictions ended):
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hq8qj2g12vDDdPb97
Many thanks in advance for your advice.
#Post#: 74377--------------------------------------------------
Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 2, 2025, 2:01 pm
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> They had never driven down the street before and there was no
signage before to warn of it.
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Except there is an advance warning sign: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/2pQcA8VboT95LX966
(Latest GSV view of Sept 2024)
#Post#: 74379--------------------------------------------------
Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: roythebus
Date: June 2, 2025, 2:12 pm
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How on earth could a driver see that advance warning sign
especially at this time of the year with trees in full bloom and
hanging in front of the sign! It's probably worth taking a
recent photo of that.
#Post#: 74381--------------------------------------------------
Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 2, 2025, 2:28 pm
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Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: EHRob
Date: June 3, 2025, 3:37 am
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Thanks all - I will go and recheck the advance warning signage
visibility today and take some photos.
Is this the only argument I have against paying?
Best, EHR
*just noticed typo in my original post - should be contest
rather than content.
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Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: June 3, 2025, 3:55 am
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They've changed the road layout - there used to be a traffic
island at the junction and our Mr Mustard won an appeal then
But there is still a left turn into signs not facing you and we
see these allowed in some cases.
The advance sign is a proper traffic sign.
#Post#: 78919--------------------------------------------------
Re: No Motor Vehicles - Camden Croftdown Road
DIR By: EHRob
Date: June 30, 2025, 10:20 am
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Sadly my appeal was rejected. I had submitted a screenshot of
the pre-warning sign with foliage across, as per roythebus's
suggestion, but it did not completely obscure.
I'm guessing I have to pay, but just in case you can spot a flaw
in their argument, here's their rejection letter:
P1
HTML https://ibb.co/hxtgFGZn
P2
HTML https://ibb.co/tpM0My44
P3
HTML https://ibb.co/wZVLRtcc
Thanks in advance,
EHR
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