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PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: June 2, 2025, 11:21 am
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Hi all,
I recieved a PCN through letter from UKPCS in April last year.
At the time, I took advice from a site similar to this and was
advised to ignore it , which I did till now. They sent several
letters at the time and went quiet for good few months .However,
I have now been sent a letter(attached) now asking for £170
payment from Trace debt recovery or they are threatening CCJ.
Can you kindly advise on the next steps please
Any advice much appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: jfollows Date: June 2, 2025, 11:36 am
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Ignore Trace and all other variants of debt collectors.
They are powerless, and they don’t “threaten” a CCJ, they just
put it prominently in big letters to frighten you.
If you want specific advice, please read
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/<br
/>and post things like your original PCN here for us to see.
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: b789 Date: June 2, 2025, 7:05 pm
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Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). As advised,
you can safely ignore Trace or any other debt recovery firm. We
dob[t need to know about a powerless debt collector. All they
can do is try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible
tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. They certainly cannot
give you a CCJ and here is why:
What CCJ? Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a
CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.
[quote]A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it
follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge
Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens
step by step:
[indent]1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued
[indent]• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper)
demanding money.
• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of
contract.[/indent]
2. Opportunity to Appeal
[indent]• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.
•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA
member) or IAS (if IPC member).
• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands
payment.[/indent]
3. Debt Collection Letters
[indent]• The parking company might send scary letters or pass
the case to a debt collector.
• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can
be ignored.
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)
[indent]• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or
their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).
• This is a warning that they may start a court case.
• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
5. County Court Claim Issued
[indent]• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a
claim with the County Court.
• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how
to respond.
• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they
acknowledge it).
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
6. Court Process
[indent]• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if
they owe money.
• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins
by default.
• No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the
court.[/indent]
7. Judgment & Payment
[indent]• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient
has 30 days to pay in full.
• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.
• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their
credit file for 6 years.[/indent][/indent]
Conclusion
CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:
[indent]• A parking company takes the case to court.
• The person loses or ignores the case.
• The person fails to pay within 30 days.[/indent]
If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time),
no CCJ happens.[/quote]
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: June 3, 2025, 4:39 am
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[quote author=b789 link=topic=6602.msg74440#msg74440
date=1748909113]
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). As advised,
you can safely ignore Trace or any other debt recovery firm. We
dob[t need to know about a powerless debt collector. All they
can do is try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible
tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. They certainly cannot
give you a CCJ and here is why:
What CCJ? Do you have any understanding of how someone gets a
CCJ? Nothing we advise on here will make anyone get a CCJ.
[quote]A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it
follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge
Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens
step by step:
[indent]1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued
[indent]• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper)
demanding money.
• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of
contract.[/indent]
2. Opportunity to Appeal
[indent]• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.
•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA
member) or IAS (if IPC member).
• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands
payment.[/indent]
3. Debt Collection Letters
[indent]• The parking company might send scary letters or pass
the case to a debt collector.
• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can
be ignored.
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)
[indent]• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or
their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).
• This is a warning that they may start a court case.
• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
5. County Court Claim Issued
[indent]• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a
claim with the County Court.
• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how
to respond.
• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they
acknowledge it).
• No CCJ happens at this stage.[/indent]
6. Court Process
[indent]• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if
they owe money.
• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins
by default.
• No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the
court.[/indent]
7. Judgment & Payment
[indent]• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient
has 30 days to pay in full.
• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.
• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their
credit file for 6 years.[/indent][/indent]
Conclusion
CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:
[indent]• A parking company takes the case to court.
• The person loses or ignores the case.
• The person fails to pay within 30 days.[/indent]
If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time),
no CCJ happens.[/quote]
[/quote]
Thank you so much . That provides a lot of clarity. :)
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: August 4, 2025, 12:15 pm
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Hi all,
I have now recieved a letter before claim from Moorside
Legal(attached).It was dated the 23rd July. Can you kindly
advice on the next steps please.
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: b789 Date: August 4, 2025, 12:37 pm
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respond with the following by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk
and CC yourself:
[quote]Dear Sirs,
Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the
claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places
reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the
Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.
As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be
capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs
3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and
6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist
for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and
proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint
yourselves with them.
The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols
(Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should
have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s
position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes
disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.
Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide
one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon
which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to
engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side
declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.
I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim
that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the
Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a
formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol.
Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by
sending me the following information/documents:
[indent]1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that
confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists
between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual
photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the
material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and
conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that
you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner,
establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the
principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and
whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT[/indent]
I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a)
and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to
comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).
If your client does not provide me with this information then I
put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb
Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch),
Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part
20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church
Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann
Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions
on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant
to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice
Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.
Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided
this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged
claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is
entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for
your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then
I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the
Practice Direction and an order that this information is
provided.
Yours faithfully,
[Your name][/quote]
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: August 5, 2025, 1:41 pm
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Many Thanks B789 . Will reply with what you have sent .
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: August 21, 2025, 1:03 pm
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Hi,
Please see the reply below from Moorside legal. I recieved the
email on the 18th and they state I have 7 days to respond. Any
advice much appreciated.
noreply@moorsidelegal.co.uk
AttachmentsAug 18, 2025, 3:58 PM (3 days ago)
to me
We write in relation to the above matter.
Please see attached as requested.
Our client has instructed us to collect the outstanding balance
of £170.00 in relation to an unpaid Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
The Terms and Conditions on which UKCPS Ltd's services are
provided are clearly displayed throughout the private land.
Please be advised that there are several signs within this
location displaying the terms and conditions, As you breached
the terms and conditions of the car park, this PCN was correctly
issued. Considering the evidence, we are satisfied that the PCN
has been issued in line with industry standards and is compliant
with the International Parking Community’s (IPC) code of
practice. The signage of the car park also complies with the
International Parking Community’s Code of Practice.
By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private
land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to
be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms
and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in
prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to
comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the
PCN.
It is unclear why you would need to inspect any agreement
between our client and the landowner as you are not party to
that agreement, not could it aid your dispute or any potential
defence.
The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking
Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking
Association and International Parking Community Codes of
Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge
when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery
is required. Our Client is a member of the International Parking
Community which is a government approved Accredited Trade
Association (ATA) for Private Parking. Our Client adheres to the
ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of
recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking
Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the
Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair
amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade
Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs
incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.
Please note that we will not be addressing any further
correspondence related to disputes of the same nature, as we
have already provided you with a response. However, should you
wish to raise a new dispute, we will investigate the matter
further and respond accordingly.
We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days
of receipt of this email.
You can make payment in the following ways:
Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday-
Friday 9:00- 17:00);
portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
HTML https://pay.moorside.leg
al - Quick Pay
If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by
our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will
incur further costs and fees that will be added to the
outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal
advice.
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: sue11 Date: August 21, 2025, 1:21 pm
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They say they are issuing the PCN for parking out of marked bay
, but to anyone seeing it doesn't actually look any different to
the marked bays. I genuinely thought I was parking in a proper
bay, there was no signs or zigzgs to warn otherwise. Please see
attached pics, supplied by them.
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Re: PCN from UKCPS limited
By: b789 Date: August 22, 2025, 6:47 am
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Don't be intimidated by the utter incompetents at Moorside
Legal. Respond to them with the following:
[quote]Dear Sirs,
Re: Your response dated 18 August 2025 – Non-Compliance with
Pre-Action Protocol
I refer to your email of 18 August 2025 and attachments,
claiming a £170 balance on a Parking Charge Notice (PCN). Your
reply remains deficient and in breach of the Civil Procedure
Rules 1998, Part 3 Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and the
accompanying Practice Direction.
Despite your assertions, you have not provided:
[indent]1. The original Notice to Keeper under the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012.
2. Photographic evidence of the actual signage displayed on the
date in question, in situ.
3. The precise wording of the clause(s) within the Terms and
Conditions you allege were breached.
4. The written contract between your client and the landowner,
establishing enforcement authority.
5. A full breakdown of the £100 principal sum (clarifying
whether sought as consideration or damages) and the £70
“recovery” fee, including VAT status and actual recovery
costs.[/indent]
These documents are mandatory under:
[indent]- Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, ¶3.1(a)–(d),
5.1–5.2
- Practice Direction, ¶6(a), 6(c)[/indent]
Please provide the above documents within 7 days of this letter.
Should you fail to do so, I will:
[indent]- Apply for a stay of any proceedings under Practice
Direction ¶15(b).
- Seek sanctions and an adverse costs order against your client
and yourselves personally for non-compliance under Practice
Direction ¶13, ¶16 and Protocol ¶7.2.[/indent]
Once compliant disclosure is received, I will seek advice and
deliver my substantive response within 30 days, as required.
Until then, any attempt to issue proceedings will be premature
and opposed on grounds of procedural unfairness, with immediate
applications for case-management relief and costs.
Yours faithfully,
[Your Name][/quote]
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