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       #Post#: 74173--------------------------------------------------
       PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: Abi90
       Date: June 1, 2025, 12:28 pm
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       Hi all,
       Its me again. This time, my husband was driving (he is also
       insured on our lease car).
       The pcn states he entered the road at 09.10am where the
       prohibition ends at 9.15am. We have not seen the sign showing
       this do not remember it and the images they provide does  not
       show the sign. I had to go online and find the road name to try
       and get details of the restricted access, it's a school road.
       There is video footage but it only shows my husband turning into
       the road at 9.10:52 seconds. No signage in the video either but
       it's onward facing as you come into the road and not from our
       perspective.
       I intended to wait near 28 days and file an appeal to say I am
       not the driver but Enfield council have removed this ground for
       appeal! Can they do that?
       How can I proceed?
       Many thanks for your help.
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       #Post#: 74964--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: Abi90
       Date: June 5, 2025, 10:57 am
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       Hi all,
       Has anyone dealt with Enfield council on this?
       If so, can you offer any advice at all?
       It would be much appreciated.
       Many thanks
       #Post#: 75034--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: June 5, 2025, 5:09 pm
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       OK, so their video, (the sole evidence BTW), shows your car
       turning into the restricted street. The signs passed are not
       shown, so you can state this in any reps, and indeed in an
       appeal at London Tribunals, but it is not necessarily a winning
       argument. This is because the civil test of evidence is "the
       balance of probabilities".  Your car turned left into the
       street, so the restriction signs would not be fully visible
       until the turn is started. This means, in order to fulfill their
       duty under LATOR 2016, the council should place an advance
       warning sign before the turn. And indeed they have placed such a
       sign (GSV September 2024): -
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/viRtk2XRJYdqyJih9
       Here is Reg 18 of LATOR 2016
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
       I have to say, (sorry to say it), but this is a prominent
       sign,and I would think difficult to miss when driving. Your
       narrative indicates a possible timing issue, (entered street
       0910, restriction ended 0915, but this is not really a candidate
       for a de minimis appeal. I say 'appeal', because the only place
       where you'll get an unbiased opinion is London Tribunals; the
       council will always reject whatever you say, because they keep
       the money if you pay-up. The big hurdle with London Tribunals is
       that the full PCN penalty is in play there. This is why most
       people just fold and cough-up, most without even submitting any
       representations at all.
       Despite the above, there may also be a 'technical' appeal
       argument not related to the contravention in any way. Such
       appeal arguments are based on council mismanagement of the
       enforcement process, and have won many appeals at London
       Tribunals. SO wait a bit to see what may be suggested, but don't
       miss the deadline on the PCN to pay or submit representations.
       #Post#: 81073--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: Abi90
       Date: July 15, 2025, 7:21 am
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       So we made an appeal on the website stating I was not the
       driver. They then sent a letter asking for evidence that there
       is another hirer/leasee of the vehicle and we should respond
       within 8 days of RECIEVING the letter. I have spoken to my
       leasing company and can't get hubby's name on the contract
       although he is on the insurance and his name is on the cuurrent
       certificate of insurance (recently updated on their system
       automatically from 30th June), we have no previous certificates
       confirming (never needed to download them) his additional to the
       insurance although he has been on the insurance since the start
       of the contract in 2023.
       Please see copy of correspondence attached.
       Any further advice?
       P.s. the back of the attachment has no other information. Just
       finishes the signature with ' HEAD OF PARKING SERVICES'
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       #Post#: 81131--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: July 15, 2025, 10:37 am
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       Who was driving is irrelevant in law, it is the registered
       keeper who has full legal responsibility for a PCN issued for
       the vehicle. Hire companies can submit representations that they
       are a hire company and must name the person and address hiring
       the vehicle on the relevant date. A new PCN, or Notice to Owner,
       can then be sent.
       #Post#: 81146--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: Abi90
       Date: July 15, 2025, 12:14 pm
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       The leasing company has informed them I am the hirer, why are
       they asking me to sign something admitting liability?
       #Post#: 81151--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: July 15, 2025, 1:24 pm
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       Back to the PCN pl.
       Date of contravention: 25 Feb. 2025
       Date PCN issued(presumably to the OP, but who knows?): 6 May.
       Prima facie the PCN is out of time and void.
       OP, pl FORGET all about the contravention and who was driving,
       IMO they are secondary to procedural priorities.
       Who is the addressee in the posted PCN? We don't need names,
       let's use code:
       A = the registered keeper;
       B = the lease company.
       C = the person who leased the vehicle;
       D = you, the OP.
       As you will see from the legislation(it's referred to at the top
       of the PCN):
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/6/enacted
       This is procedural.
       #Post#: 124773--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCN, Enfield, failure to comply with prohibition of Motor
       Vehicle, Weir Hall 
   DIR By: Abi90
       Date: July 15, 2026, 7:18 am
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       I completely missed this,
       My apologies.
       The hiring company first notified me via email on 23rd April
       2025 that they had received the PCN. They advised me to await a
       letter addressed to me if I wanted to challenge it. This letter
       is dated 06/05/2025.
       So you are saying the PCN should be cancelled as it has expired?
       We have been going back and forth with them because they never
       property replied to our appeal and sent a charge certificate and
       then registered with TEC. We had a baby around he time and hubby
       was dealing with it but he sent the PE2/3 ion his name rather
       than mine so it was rejected and now they have sent the debt to
       debt collectors. We are looking to submit another PE2/3 but in
       my name this time.
       ANything else you think we can do at this time?
       MAny thanks in advance
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