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#Post#: 6837--------------------------------------------------
QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 6, 2023, 2:31 am
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Hi all,
Interesting bit is the charge notice claims that "the alleged
parking event was detected and recorded by parking attendant at
the site" but issued using CCTV and notice is a postal one.
Not denying the allegations but are they not in wrong to make
such claims? What if driver parked there and went to look for
empty space? Their evidence is of 3 still photos and signage.
Any advice how best to proceed? or just pay the fine as it's a
standard procedure to issue notices using CCTV?
Thanks.
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#Post#: 6839--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: October 6, 2023, 2:43 am
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--- Quote from: ghostivv link ---
>
> Hi all,
>
> Interesting bit is the charge notice claims that "the alleged
parking event was detected and recorded by parking attendant at
the site" but issued using CCTV and notice is a postal one.
>
> Not denying the allegations but are they not in wrong to make
such claims? What if driver parked there and went to look for
empty space? Their evidence is of 3 still photos and signage.
>
> Any advice how best to proceed? or just pay the fine as it's a
standard procedure to issue notices using CCTV?
>
> Thanks.
>
--- End Quote ---
No sign this was issued using CCTV, looks like a manned
attendant photo from the angles to me, what makes you think it
was CCTV? (not that it makes any difference, either something is
owed as a result of the parking, or it is not).
Well if the driver parked, they parked and by conduct likely
accepted they contract they were breaching, and why they would
do the not at all credible action of then walking around looking
for a space (which would likely be gone after they returned to
the car and drove to the previously empty space) a Judge would
probably have a good laugh at that, just before instigating
perjury proceedings perhaps.
Stop clutching at childish straws and lets stick to the facts
shall we?
1/ Not a fine, an invoice, a bill, issued for damages arising
from an alleged breach of contract.
2/ Plan A is always ask the landowner to cancel, in this case
QEH, given the infraction they may not be willing to help, but
you can but try, start with the PALS.
3/ We need to see all the PCN, not just the front, also photos
of the signage and whether it was 'there to be seen'.
#Post#: 6840--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 6, 2023, 3:06 am
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--- Quote ---
> No sign this was issued using CCTV, looks like a manned
attendant photo from the angles to me, what makes you think it
was CCTV? (not that it makes any difference, either something is
owed as a result of the parking, or it is not).
--- End Quote ---
OK looked into few notices from this company and it's a standard
wordings. My question still is why was this a postal notice? Why
was it not issued and fixed on site? Is there any code of
practice/guidance on CCTV/ANPR use?
will post rear of notice later as scanner is playing up.
#Post#: 6864--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 6, 2023, 7:50 am
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The answers to the questions you have posed have little to no
bearing on whether or not the charge is owed.
--- Quote from: ghostivv link ---
>
> My question still is why was this a postal notice?
>
--- End Quote ---
Who knows. Some companies choose to issue charges via
windscreen tickets, others through the post.
--- Quote from: ghostivv link ---
>
> Is there any code of practice/guidance on CCTV/ANPR use?
--- End Quote ---
The relevant Code of Practice would set out any rules around
this, but why? From the looks of the photos, neither CCTV nor
ANPR were used here.
As The Rookie says, absent a defence speaking to PALS at the
hospital would be a good first step. Do you have any photos of
the signage at the site?
#Post#: 7073--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 9, 2023, 8:41 am
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Thanks for replying. The driver (helping someone) actually left
the car to make enquiry in reception area and returned back to
park within bay markings. Probably took the driver around 5-10
mins. If the notice was handed at the time, the driver could
have gone to reception and get a written confirmation or some
sort of witness statement. Also the exact time the car was left
unattended.
#Post#: 7107--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 10, 2023, 1:50 am
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PALS will still likely be your best bet.
Any compelling reason why they were unable to park in a bay
before going into reception to make an enquiry?
#Post#: 7111--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: October 10, 2023, 3:36 am
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--- Quote from: ghostivv link ---
>
> If the notice was handed at the time, the driver could have
gone to reception and get a written confirmation or some sort of
witness statement.
>
--- End Quote ---
Witness statement to what exactly? It wouldn't be that he didn't
breach the contract on offer would it? So how exactly do you
think it would help?
Most MNPR now don't issue notices to drivers as it avoids
conflict, while no fan of the private parking industry I don't
see why someone on close to minimum wage should have to put up
with the amount of harassment they would likely get.
#Post#: 7134--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 10, 2023, 1:27 pm
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The driver (helping someone) actually left the car to make
enquiry in reception area and returned back to park within bay
markings. Probably took the driver around 5-10 mins. If the
notice was handed at the time, the driver could have gone to
reception and get a written confirmation or some sort of witness
statement. Also the exact time the car was left unattended.
The driver's obligation on private land where they're invited to
park subject to meeting conditions is to look for the signs in
the parking place once inside and stationary. You could argue
that a totally naive driver didn't know that it is common
practice in 99.999 of car parks to park in a bay before going to
read signs and that all they did was park and look for these
signs, but it's not true because you've said so and unless
'reception' is within the car park then the driver left the car
park.
As regards the 14-day discount, according to the NTK this is a
available to you until 11 Oct.
#Post#: 7344--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 13, 2023, 6:24 am
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ok thanks. Car park was full so driver had to go to reception to
make enquiries regarding parking space. Rep was made last week
with "grace period" as main focus and received rejection reply
today.
#Post#: 69635--------------------------------------------------
Re: QE Hospital - not parked wholly within single bay markings
DIR By: pharmchick
Date: May 1, 2025, 5:48 pm
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any update on this case??
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