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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: June 24, 2025, 1:24 pm
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The registered keeper (RK) received these today, I told them to
ignore these, but included them here for completeness:[br]
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The following was then handed to me, which the RK says arrived
today as well. So the above was posted about a week before this
and yet arrived together!? [br]
I asked if they had been in the same envelope. Apparently they
were not.[br]
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I understand this is not to be ignored. Told RK to await
instructions from me.
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery - Now DCB Legal LoC
By: Mortimer Date: June 24, 2025, 1:25 pm
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Change thread title.
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: b789 Date: June 24, 2025, 4:25 pm
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We really do not need to see the rubbish from DCBL. As for the
Letter of Claim (LoC), respond to it by email to
info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:
[quote]Dear Sirs,
Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the
claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places
reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the
Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.
Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the
requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims
(paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice
Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you
must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the
documents/information that the protocol now requires your client
to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without
complying with that protocol.
As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements
of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for
debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt
claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your
client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all
potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its
express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim
and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable
parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a
settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the
costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It
is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer
a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance
of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action
Protocol.
I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim
that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the
Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a
formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol.
Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by
sending me the following information/documents:
[indent]1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of
POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed
the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and
have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the
date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and
provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing
the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under
which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by
the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of
font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged
contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any
interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what
is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett
or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why
I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this
damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for
parking?[/indent]
I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a)
and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to
comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).
If your client does not provide me with this information then I
put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb
Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch),
Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part
20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church
Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann
Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions
on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant
to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice
Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.
Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided
this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged
claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is
entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for
your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then
I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the
Practice Direction and an order that this information is
provided.
Yours faithfully,
[Your name][/quote]
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: June 25, 2025, 2:47 pm
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The email has been sent.
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: July 23, 2025, 3:37 pm
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The registered keeper has not had a response either by email or
post.
They are going out of the country tomorrow for about a month, is
this going to present a problem, should a response be sent
whilst they are away? Or is anything that is likely to happen,
going to be easily dealt with on their return?
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: b789 Date: July 24, 2025, 4:58 am
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Send the following to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:
[quote]Subject: Re: Your Letter Before Claim – Further Notice of
Temporary Unavailability
Ref: [DCBLegal reference no]
Dear Sirs,
Further to my letter dated [insert date of original response], I
note that I have received no substantive reply addressing the
deficiencies I identified in your Letter Before Claim, nor any
of the documents and information I formally requested under the
Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims and the Practice Direction –
Pre-Action Conduct.
I write to inform you that I will be unavailable from [insert
date] to [insert date], during which time I will be unable to
respond to any correspondence or proceedings. Should your client
issue a claim during this period, I will be unable to respond
within the required timeframe, and will seek an immediate stay
and/or relief from sanctions on return.
Given your client’s ongoing failure to comply with the
Pre-Action Protocol, any claim issued now would be procedurally
abusive and premature. I therefore request confirmation that no
proceedings will be issued until I have received a compliant
Letter Before Claim and had a reasonable opportunity to respond.
Should your client proceed regardless, I will rely on the cases
cited in my previous letter and seek appropriate sanctions and
costs.
Yours faithfully,
[Name][/quote]
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: August 5, 2025, 7:12 am
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Hmmm, there's no helping some people.[BR]
[BR]
The keeper has received an email from someone called Emily
Maloney (Litigation Support Associate) DCB Legal Ltd. (see
below). The keeper forwarded a ZIP containing 5 PDF
files:[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font]
[list]
[li]Appeal and response to appeal : Contains copy of appeal sent
by keeper and the response to appeal.[font=Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font][/li]
[li]Images : images of car entering leaving car park with time
stamps.[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif][BR][/font][/li]
[li]Notices : a copy of the original notice.[font=Verdana,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font][/li]
[li]Signs : photos of signs from the car park.[font=Verdana,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font][/li]
[li]Sitemap : a sketch of car park layout[font=Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font][/li]
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I asked the keeper if the previously suggested email had been
sent, but apparently not! :-\[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif][BR][/font]
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sans-serif][color=#111111][size=2][font=Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font][/font][/size][/color]
They are abroad at the moment, and due back in about three
weeks.[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font]
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The email below was dated "31/07/2025", and gives 30 days to
pay, or a Claim will be issued, which suggests that no harm has
been done.[font=Arial, sans-serif][BR][/font]
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I haven't had a chance to redact all the PDFs, and not
altogether sure how I can do that anyway. I'll try and sort that
out in case any of it needs to be seen.[font=Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font]
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The case does relate to one I recall helping with on Pepipoo,
where ECP were issuing notices for a Car Park called Sussex
House in Crawley, West Sussex. This is a building that was
demolished over a decade ago I believe, to be replaced by a
Morrisons Superstore, Travelodge and car park. ECP seemed to be
continuing to issue notices on the old address. There are now
newer websites appeared that refer to the new building as Sussex
House, but these were not present at the time of the original
notice.[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font]
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Information on old Sussex House building:[font=Verdana, Arial,
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This is the new website, and WayBackmachine suggests this
appeared and was crawled the first time in May 2022, which is
two months after the original notice, and I wonder if notices
being appealed on wrong location were why this was created at
the time:[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][BR][/font]
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Anyway, what if anything should be done now, or can things wait
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[size=3][font=Times New Roman,
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request, please find attached the evidence DCB Legal hold
concerning the Parking Charge issued.
[/font][/size][size=2][font=Arial, sans-serif]If there are any
documents that you have requested, but that are not enclosed
with this email, it is because we have deemed the request to be
disproportionate and/or not relevant to the substantive issues
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days[/b] from the date of this email to make payment of the
outstanding balance of £170.00. Failure to make payment will
result in a Claim being issued against you without any further
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: August 5, 2025, 7:14 am
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Sorry that came other monster sized! Cut-n-paste seems to have
done something odd there!
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: b789 Date: August 5, 2025, 10:58 am
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It's EPC and DCB Legal. Just wait for the claim. It is easily
defended and guaranteed to be discontinued.
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Re: DCBL - Notice of Debt Recovery
By: Mortimer Date: August 5, 2025, 2:59 pm
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Ok I will instruct to not work or do anything.
Many thanks.
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