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#Post#: 73707--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 29, 2025, 3:08 am
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OP, see page 17:
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/656ef4271104cf0013fa74ef/know-your-traffic-signs-dft.pdf
'Know Your Traffic Signs' complements the Highway Code.
A driver is presumed to know, and therefore would be treated in
law as knowing i.e. not knowing is not a defence.
There's no 'out' on this point, I'm afraid.
#Post#: 73716--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: BertieBath
Date: May 29, 2025, 4:07 am
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I draw attention to the fact that the signage is not merely
cluttered — it is compromised by design. Having checked again on
maps the 2t restriction sign is visually obstructed by the
infrastructure installed to enforce it (the advisory sign -
which is not visible from the roundabout with live traffic). The
central sign is covered by gantry poles, vehicle height warning
equipment, and other road furniture. Drivers in both approach
lanes face an obscured or peripheral view of this critical
restriction. Unlike the 2.0m height limit, which is duplicated
clearly on both sides and above, the 2t restriction is not
repeated or given equal prominence. If a restriction is not
fully visible and legible from all approach positions, it cannot
be said to be adequately conveyed under Regulation 18 of the
LATOR 1996.
#Post#: 73718--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 29, 2025, 4:10 am
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--- Quote from: BertieBath link ---
>
> I draw attention to the fact that the signage is not merely
cluttered — it is compromised by design. Having checked again on
maps the 2t restriction sign is visually obstructed by the
infrastructure installed to enforce it (the advisory sign -
which is not visible from the roundabout with live traffic). The
central sign is covered by gantry poles, vehicle height warning
equipment, and other road furniture. Drivers in both approach
lanes face an obscured or peripheral view of this critical
restriction. Unlike the 2.0m height limit, which is duplicated
clearly on both sides and above, the 2t restriction is not
repeated or given equal prominence. If a restriction is not
fully visible and legible from all approach positions, it cannot
be said to be adequately conveyed under Regulation 18 of the
LATOR 1996.
>
--- End Quote ---
But are you going to take them to London Tribunals on this ?
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Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: BertieBath
Date: May 29, 2025, 4:20 am
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I appreciate the chances are slim and adjudicators have always
sided with TFL on this. 'Adequacy' is open to interpretation and
TFL have no obligation to improve the current signage.
I will first focus on the wording of PCN itself: I managed to be
in touch with the great cp8759 and there are at least two
avenues which are looking promising to get the PCN cancelled!
#Post#: 73723--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 29, 2025, 4:22 am
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...but not by TfL!
Have you requested the DVD because this is TfL's primary
evidence and would carry most weight with adjudicators. The
facts of your case, not hypothetical possibilities and aged GSV.
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Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: May 29, 2025, 4:42 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> This is going off topic but it appears the goods vehicle
weight limit relates to fire hazard.
>
>
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-0176-2021
>
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Thank you for the link. Every day's a learning day.
So, although the weight limit is not an arbitrary figure, most
small van drivers have no idea of their vehicle's GVW .
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Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: BertieBath
Date: May 29, 2025, 12:19 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
>
> Have you requested the DVD because this is TfL's primary
evidence and would carry most weight with adjudicators. The
facts of your case, not hypothetical possibilities and aged GSV.
>
--- End Quote ---
I haven't! I must admit I do not even know where to start :) I
will have a look as to how request this. Can you clarify: by DVD
you mean the footage (online) or the actual disc? And does that
need to be requested to a specific department?
#Post#: 94231--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: BertieBath
Date: October 15, 2025, 12:25 pm
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Good evening — just sharing some good news!
TfL issued a Charge Certificate and increased the penalty
earlier than legally permitted. I appealed, and the Enforcement
Authority has informed the Tribunal it will not contest my
appeal against the PCN.
Huge thanks to everyone who offered advice, and especially to
@cp8759 (Ivan Murray-Smith) for helping me demonstrate that this
PCN was simply wrong. Much appreciated!
#Post#: 94262--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL / 52g / Rotherhithe Tunnel 2t Weight Limit / Branch Road
DIR By: Innocentman
Date: October 15, 2025, 8:20 pm
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--- Quote from: baroudeur link ---
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> Why impose a vehicle weight of 2 tonnes for commercial
vehicles as there are many cars that have a GVW in excess of 2
tonnes and are larger than small vans.
>
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That was my thought too.
Some EVs are even too heavy to be driven on an ordinary licence.
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