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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 19, 2023, 11:10 am
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> Start by showing us the enforcement notice please.
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Have the Pepipoo uploads and information been brought over to
this site yet, or do you operate as two independent websites?
Just wondering if I should pretty much start over and share
everything from the beginning, or just continue as we are.
I've attached the notice; PII redacted as suggested.
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 19, 2023, 11:34 am
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Could you get either a dashcam recording, or get a passenger to
hold a phone while you take this route? That could make it open
and shut. I also have a plan to get them on a failure to
consider.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 19, 2023, 12:11 pm
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I've actually already made a high res video of the route, from
the drivers eye view too. The only difference being the road was
much drier on the day I made the video, but otherwise it's
pretty much what was in my line of vision.
I stuck my phone on the roof next to my head, angled eye-level
to give a very comparable view of what I could see looking out
the windscreen.
What's the best way to get this over to you? Youtube? I can put
it on Google Drive too.
I also have a list of areas where I think they fall short (not
just road markings, but signs that have subsequently been
removed in recent years, or signs that were damaged on the day
the contravention occurred). The reason I make reference to the
missing sign, is because when sat at a red traffic light - which
I had been on the day - there's no obvious signs indicating an
active bus lane on the adjacent road. As I'd approached the
junction, my eyes were obviously on the traffic light turning
amber > red, so I missed the only other bus lane sign (which has
been collided with and is bent). The bus lane sign that used to
be visible to someone sitting at the red light has been taken
down, meaning the only warning I had was a bent sign located
behind me.
This is all before the the junction where all the faded bus lane
lines and road markings are.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 19, 2023, 12:39 pm
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Youtube has automatic integration on the forum, you just post
the link and it appears as an embedded video.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 20, 2023, 11:32 am
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Perfect. will get them uploaded this evening. Thank you
For what it's worth, I've re-uploaded every document they've
sent my way here
HTML https://imgur.com/a/4e8RRFt
The reason for the second rejection was because a part of me
innocently believed they might have missed the key points I'd
raised, as they didn't reference any of them in their response..
so I sent another appeal online; they promptly rejected that
too.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 21, 2023, 5:05 am
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The whole EN please. Providing dated Google images does not help
their case.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 25, 2023, 7:19 am
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Here's a clip
HTML https://vimeo.com/848343639
of the junction and route being
driven that I've captured (in the dry, which is arguably a
little clearer, but still awfully not very obvious)
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: July 25, 2023, 7:22 am
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> The whole EN please. Providing dated Google images does not
help their case.
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Sorry the EN got jumbled in my upload of everything - EN pg2 is
the 2nd image on this link
HTML https://imgur.com/a/4e8RRFt,
and EN
pg1 is the last image
For clarity:
Enforcement Notice page 1:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MDRwPTb.jpeg
Enforcement Notice page 2:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/D4n5b0Z.jpeg
Thank you!
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 25, 2023, 3:24 pm
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Post a draft representation based on what can be seen in the
video and we'll tidy it up for you.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens
Rd)
DIR By: GRYOUT
Date: August 2, 2023, 8:18 am
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Here's what I've got so far.... feel free to correct / re-write
/ critique. It's just the first stab at it.
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I write to you as the driver of the vehicle involved in the
aforementioned contravention. I am challenging the
aforementioned Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued on 28/04/2023,
on the Broadway, due to several compelling reasons that question
the validity of the charge itself.
Inadequate and Severely Worn Painted Road Markings
The bus lane markings at the site of the alleged contravention
were severely faded and arguable ineffective due to their low
visibility at the time of the alleged contravention. It is
significant to note that road markings in and around the
Broadway have undergone a repaint in May/June 2023, suggesting
they were indeed unfit for purpose at the time the PCN was
issued. Further reducing the visibility of the worn markings was
the wet road surface, which resulted in any remaining contrast
being observed as spotted patches on the asphalt.
It should also be known that there are numerous recent TFL
Streetcare reports regarding faded bus lane markings that were
promptly repainted within days of being reported, many of which
were already far more visible than the one in question. The
Highway Code requires that bus lane markings must be clearly
visible and that they should be maintained in good condition. I
believe that the markings in question did not meet these
requirements.
Damaged and Redacted Bus Lane Signage
Secondly, whilst there have previously been two signs indicating
the start of the bus lane, only one remains - and it has
sustained damaged to an extent that makes it not clearly visible
to oncoming vehicles. This ambiguity regarding the start of the
bus lane, coupled with inadequate road markings, adds up to an
overall lack of clear notification of the bus lane to drivers,
which is essential for them to comply with the regulation.
I would strongly question why a 'Bus Lane' sign, which would
have been the only sign visible to drivers waiting to merge onto
the Broadway, has been removed and not replaced or repositioned,
considering it would have been clearly visible whilst stationary
at the traffic lights. There is otherwise no clear indication of
an oncoming bus lane for the first or second vehicle at the
traffic light whatsoever, as was the situation in this case. I
make this reference following the images you’ve provided me of
the junction from Google Images, dated 2021.
Google Images (2021)
Lastly, in your response containing Google Images (dated 2021),
you've referenced two signs that you argue I should have seen.
However:
• The blue bus lane sign you've highlighted is not visible to,
or intended for, vehicles positioned at the junction where I was
stationed. It is in fact angled almost 90 degrees away from my
line of sight
• The 'End of Bus Lane' sign, located at the end of the bus
lane, cannot realistically act as an advance warning of an
oncoming bus lane
You further explain that the road markings, as per the Google
Images (dated 2021), are sufficient. However,
• Whilst not as diminished in these historic snapshots as the
current date, they are arguably below the standard required
under the Highway Code
The road marking indicating that road users may use the left
lane following the 'End of Bus Lane' sign has, as of the date of
the alleged contravention, completely faded and is not visible
at all whatsoever. It does not resemble an arrow, or a road
marking for that matter. It is illegible.
I’d note that my points of appeal made have not been
acknowledged in your response.
Given these circumstances, I believe the Penalty Charge Notice
issued is unjust and request that you duly consider my appeal,
given the overall lack of clear and proper signage and road
marking, and cancel the PCN.
I look forward to your response at the earliest convenience.
Yours sincerely,
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