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Newham council PCN
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 24, 2025, 10:03 pm
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Received this contravention a few days ago. It was quite
confusing with all the roadworks in progress so my son must have
gone through a 'No entry' sign which may have been temporary.
Is there anything that can be done. Thanks in advance.
Hashim
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 25, 2025, 4:22 am
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please post the video, but i would want to see evidence of a
sign that the driver could see
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 25, 2025, 4:45 am
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/jKIiZdK
Thanks
Hashim
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 25, 2025, 10:22 am
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This is a new restriction.
Two "no entry" signs on Ordnance Road have appeared at the
junction with Malmesbury Road. The back of one of them is
visible on the lamppost on the right side of the video. The sign
on the other side is not in the camera view because of the
scaffolding and hoarding but it's unobstructed from the other
side, where the BMW came from.
This means you can no longer exit Ordnance Rd onto Barking Rd.
There are new blue ahead only arrows on the two corners of
Ordnance Rd as you enter it from Barking Rd. So the stretch of
Ordnance Rd between Barking Rd and Malmesbury Rd is now one way
only. One way the opposite way to the direction the BMW was
travelling.
It seems that traffic on Ordnance Rd now has to turn right onto
Malmesbury Rd and then left onto Oak Crescent in order to exit
onto Barking Rd.
There are two no entry signs at the junction of Barking Rd and
Oak Crescent. And surprise, surprise, somebody else recently has
a PCN for turning into Oak Crescent from Barking Rd.
I'm not sure if this is a temporary or a permanent change. Might
be TFL behind it, to improve the flow of traffic on Barking Rd.
Or it may be down to building works. Who knows.
So it might be best to ask the Council to cancel on the back of
mitigation. Terribly sorry, I wasn't aware of the new
restrictions, it's been possible for years to exit Ordnance Rd
onto Barking Rd, now I know it won't happen again, and so on in
that vein. Please use your discretion to cancel the PCN etc.
[member=1]cp8759[/member] - We need to have a look at the
traffic order. Might be Ordnance Road, Canning Town, E16,
(Temporary Prohibition of Traffic), Order 2024? Thanks,
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 25, 2025, 11:52 am
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Hi.
Are we assuming that the back of the sign on the lamp post is a
no entry sign. Shouldn't the council provide evidence of this.
It seems quite clear that their camera has not been positioned
properly and so this as you suggested would be mitigating
circumstances.
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 25, 2025, 1:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Hashim link ---
>
> Hi.
> Are we assuming that the back of the sign on the lamp post is
a no entry sign. Shouldn't the council provide evidence of this.
It seems quite clear that their camera has not been positioned
properly and so this as you suggested would be mitigating
circumstances.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not assuming anything. I've had it checked. There are two
"no entry" signs, one on each side of Ordnance Rd. You can see
the back of one of the signs in the video.
The Council will provide evidence of the signs if it goes to the
Adjudicator. But right now it looks pretty clear cut, your BMW
sailed past the no entry signs. The driver should have turned
right onto Malmesbury Rd in order to reach Barking Rd.
Where the signs are perhaps arguably deficient is that there is
no alternative route sign telling you to turn right onto
Malmesbury Rd.
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 26, 2025, 3:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Hashim link ---
>
> Are we assuming that the back of the sign on the lamp post is
a no entry sign. Shouldn't the council provide evidence of this.
It seems quite clear that their camera has not been positioned
properly and so this as you suggested would be mitigating
circumstances.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry Hashim, it doesn't work like that. At the PCN stage the
council is not required to provide any evidence whatsoever, even
the video is above and beyond what the regulations require.
[member=38]Enceladus[/member] I don't have any moving traffic
TMOs for Ordnance Road, and while I'm happy to request one
there's not much point: no entry signs are scheduled signs for
the purposes of section 36 of the Road Traffic Act 1988
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/36,
so no
order is required.
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 26, 2025, 4:59 pm
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Thanks for all your help.
I will draft up an apology as suggested regarding the mitigating
circumstances.
Hashim
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: sb
Date: August 25, 2025, 3:29 am
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Hi Hashim.
We have received a PCN from Newham Council for exactly the same
thing. What happened to your correspondence with the Council -
did you manage to push through mitigating circumstances? We're
just wondering about out next step.
Thank you. We hope it went well.
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Re: Newham council PCN
DIR By: Hashim
Date: August 25, 2025, 6:08 am
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Hi
Unfortunately Newham is one of the worst councils to deal with
so I ended up paying.
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