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Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: pirell
Date: May 24, 2025, 10:46 am
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hi,
I wonder if I have a shot at getting this challenge accepted. So
the vehicle was parked in a 'business permit holder bay' when
the driver had a residents permit. I understand the difference
and that residents' permits do not extend to business permit
holders. However, on this occasion, as you can see in the
pictures I have attached, the sign saying Business permit
holders only was so far down the street. The picture that the
traffic office took was all the way down the road.
Compared to the distance of the signs on the opposite street,
there was no Business permit sign close enough to where the
vehicle was parked.
The closest sign, which is just about 4 feet away from the
vehicle that is alleged to have made the contravention, is a
resident's permit sign.
My challenge is that the either there is a sign missing or, this
is an error on the part of the council. @cp8759
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 24, 2025, 11:55 am
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Islington will say you must consult the sign(s) that apply to
your bay and so do we. In London especially bays often differ in
who they are for and when.
But this is a very long business bay and has a sign in the
middle and at the other end.
But it is a shared use bay - business permit and pay bay.
In March 2023 it had a sign at your end but it then disappeared.
They do have a duty to sign bays well and it is not an
unreasonable assumption that such a long bay is for residents
but I suspect you'd have to take them to the tribunal to see if
an adjudicator would agree.
Now missing sign:
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: pirell
Date: May 28, 2025, 2:05 pm
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Thank you very much for that, I'll use that picture I checked
again today and the sign is still missing. I am going to
challenge it on that basis, then. It is a long road, and the
sign is missing where I parked, and the next nearest sign is for
resident permits.
If i am using the missing sign as a reason, what do i select in
the challenge options, is this 'impropriety' on the council's
part, miscellaneous, or another reason?
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 28, 2025, 2:46 pm
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The next nearest sign if in different bay might just as well be
on the moon.
Are you a local resident and why did you park there.
Woodbine a decent Irish pub last time I was there.
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: pirell
Date: May 28, 2025, 8:16 pm
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Yes, I am a resident; my parking permit extends to that area.
True, the different bays can say different things. most of the
bays are resident permits. Thing is i have been parking there on
and off for months, if not years, with no ticket. This is the
first time hence i never noticed that it was a business permit.
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 29, 2025, 5:30 am
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Dear Islington,
I am challenging the PCN on the basis that the lack of signage
misled me into believing I was parked in a resident bay.
I am a local resident and permit holder for zone xx and saw
space at the top end of a long bay and parked in good faith that
I was in a resident bay. But I now see that bay, which stretches
from xx to xx Blackstock Road, is designated as a shared use
business bay.
In such a long bay, I feel it is your duty to post and maintain
clear signage as it seems unlikely that such a bay would not be
for residents' use, and I see from Google Maps that there was
until recently a sign very near to where I parked that would
have alerted me to the bay type.
But this sign is now missing.
I enclose a picture from Google Maps of the sign that should be
there and trust you will give consideration to cancelling the
PCN on this occasion, and I hope this alerts you to reinstating
the sign.
I look forward to your positive reply and am happy to be of
service.
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Re: Islington PCN 12 - Parked in a residents or shared use bay
DIR By: pirell
Date: May 30, 2025, 10:59 am
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thanks you very much. ;)
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