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#Post#: 72945--------------------------------------------------
Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Not Registered Keeper – Do I Need
to Pay?
DIR By: Leo
Date: May 23, 2025, 9:45 am
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I’ve received a follow-up letter from Direct Collection Bailiffs
Ltd (DCBL) about a parking charge.
I am not the registered keeper of the vehicle.
This is the first and only correspondence I’ve seen; I have not
responded to DCBL or the parking company Euro Car Parks Ltd.
Apparently, I have overstayed the maximum amount of time allowed
on 15/4/2022. However, this is the first letter I have received
about this, dated 20/5/2025.
I’d like help with two things:
1. Do I need to pay this charge, given I’m not the registered
keeper?
2. Could this affect the registered keeper’s credit score if
left unpaid?
It does say at the bottom of the letter that “This case is not
subject to High Court or bailiff action”, but I am not familiar
with the laws on this matter and would like some further
clarification, if possible.
I have included pictures of the letter I have received below.
Any advice would be appreciated before I take further steps.
Letter from DCBL
HTML https://i.imgur.com/PezmPlH.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/52RXPQU.png
Picture of the car park
HTML https://i.imgur.com/VqeOLSt.jpg
Parking Agreement Sign
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Google Maps link
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@55.8506602,-4.4192661,3a,90y,340.9h,78.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szpZBWQVGDpiM4m_vsDAHoQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.390478063053507%26panoid%3DzpZBWQVGDpiM4m_vsDAHoQ%26yaw%3D340.9007410826008!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 72946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: Dave65
Date: May 23, 2025, 9:55 am
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To clarify, you say that you are not the registered keeper.
How have you received this correspondence?
#Post#: 72947--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: Leo
Date: May 23, 2025, 10:03 am
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Sorry for the confusion i am related to the registered keeper
and I am a named driver on the policy
#Post#: 72948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 23, 2025, 10:05 am
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--- Quote ---
> I’d like help with two things:
> 1. Do I need to pay this charge, given I’m not the registered
keeper?
> 2. Could this affect the registered keeper’s credit score if
left unpaid?
--- End Quote ---
1) No, you can challenge it via the courts, if they initiate a
claim
2) Not if you're the one they're going to sue.
Who is this latest correspondence addressed to?
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Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: Leo
Date: May 23, 2025, 10:08 am
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The letter is addressed to my mother
also is there a way to find out if they are making a claim
against me in court? and sorry could you elaborate on the second
point if possible?
#Post#: 72952--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: May 23, 2025, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: Leo link ---
>
> The letter is addressed to my mother
>
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Okay, so you haven't received anything, your mother has.
DCBL aren't interested in anything that doesn't involve payment,
so they can be ignored. Eventually, they will give up and refer
the matter back to Euro Car Parks. Euro Car Parks will then pass
the matter to DCB Legal (similar name, different company), who
will issue a Letter of Claim, and eventually issue a court claim
against your mother. If defended, this court claim will almost
certainly be discontinued before it reaches the courtroom.
--- Quote from: Leo link ---
>
> also is there a way to find out if they are making a claim
against me in court? and sorry could you elaborate on the second
point if possible?
--- End Quote ---
As above - it will be your mother any claim is against. The
answers in my previous reply were based on the assumption that
you had received a letter, based on you saying "I’ve received a
follow-up letter", whereas it now transpires it is in fact your
mother who has received the letter.
#Post#: 72954--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: Leo
Date: May 23, 2025, 10:20 am
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perfect thanks for all the help
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Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: b789
Date: May 23, 2025, 12:58 pm
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You (or your mother if she's the named recipient) can safely
ignore all debt collector letters. Debt recovery agents are
utterly powerless to do anything. They are not a party to any
contract allegedly breached by the driver.
The ONLY thing that DCBL or any other debt collector can do is
to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree
to pay up out of ignorance and fear. You sound as though you may
be primed to be plucked from that tree.
Never, ever enter into communication with a powerless debt
collector. You can safely y ignore them. Nothing whatsoever will
happen. No court claim, no bailiffs, nothing!
Another thing you MUST do immediately, is edit your post to
remover anything that would identify the driver, such as the
Keeper. For now, your mother, as the Keeper is the only person
who can respond to anything. You can do it all for her, but it
MUST be in her name.
Whether you are named person on the policy is irrelevant to
anything and you should stop harping on about that. There are
only two legal entities involved here... the Keeper and the
driver. Whilst the Keeper could be both, ECP (the operator)
don't know that and there is absolutely no legal obligation on
the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private
parking company.
So, you can handle all of this on behalf of your mother, as long
as you do it all in her name. If you follow the advice, there no
way you will be paying a penny to ECP.
As the Keeper is now receiving debt recovery notices, it is far
too late to appeal this. Please confirm that this is the first
correspondence received about this Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
You have to ask, why did the Keeper not receive the original
notices. Invariably, that is because the Keeper never updated
their new address for the V5C registration document. Whilst
updating the address for the drivers licence is one thing, it is
in no way connected to the V5C, even though the DVLA handles
both.
Please double check that the address on the V5C is, or at least
was up to date and correct at the time of the alleged parking
contravention. If it isn't, that needs to be updated immediately
and can be easily done online. Also, if it was not updated at
the time, then the Keeper will have to submit a Data
Rectification Notice to ECP. Whilst DCBL have found the correct
address through a credit reference search, if the operator, ECP,
hold two possible addresses, you can bet your bottom dollar that
they will use the incorrect one to save any court claim which
pens a whole new can of worms.
You need to understand that nothing we advise on will have any
effect on anyones credit rating. There's no chance of a CCJ on
anyones credit file. The ONLY way anyone could get a CCJ is by
default because they did not update their V5C address and they
knew nothing about a court claim. In any other case, if a court
claim was unsuccessful, as long as the judgment amount is paid
within 30 days, it is expunged from the record.
So, before we can move on to providing all the advice you will
need to get over this, you need to confirm whether the V5C
address is or was up to date at the time of the alleged
contravention.
#Post#: 72998--------------------------------------------------
Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: RichardW
Date: May 23, 2025, 2:08 pm
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Paisley....Scotland. That rather changes things (in your
Mother's favour ;D ).
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Re: Follow-up Letter from DCBL – Named Driver, Not Registered
Keeper – Do I Need to Pay?
DIR By: b789
Date: May 23, 2025, 2:16 pm
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Well spotted!!! [member=5542]Leo[/member], there is no Keeper
liability in Scotland (yet). As long as ECP don't know the
identify of the driver, they can not do a single thing about
this.
As this is in Scotland, you can ignore everything. Nothing will
happen except you'll collect plenty of scrap paper.
The advice about the V5C is still relevant though.
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