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YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: Sachinpatel001
Date: October 3, 2023, 6:11 pm
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Hi Guys
I got this lovely gift from Barnet council ::)
I have inserted the video link below so hopefully its ok
My car is the convertible and the pictures/video clearly show
that my rear wheels are stuck in the top end of the YBJ. Not
sure why I didn't just nudge forward more!
I guess i'm not arguing whether I stopped in the YBJ because the
video clearly shows I did for more than 15 secs.
The only argument I think I could use relates to the
layout/position of the YBJ.
Where the rear of my vehicle is stopped is in no way blocking
any access to the adjoining road it is meant to keep clear so
not sure why the YBJ extends beyond the border of traffic
island?
Anyway I would appreciate your feedback and whether its worth a
letter to appeal or just to suck it up
Cheers Guys!
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#Post#: 6659--------------------------------------------------
Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 3, 2023, 6:26 pm
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THe video doesn't work - "session has elapsed" or similar. If
you post the PCN Number and reg number we can look, or download
the video.
The video is the sole evidenc, and must show your car entering
the box as that is when the offence occurs.
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: Sachinpatel001
Date: October 3, 2023, 6:55 pm
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Hi so sorry it seemed to work when I previewed it
The PCN No is AG44074557
REG : CF71 VUH
thank you
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: October 4, 2023, 12:31 am
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You only commit an offence if you stop in the box behind a
stationary vehicle.
It's impossible to see what's in front of the box due to the
camera angle and so I don't think Barnet are able to prove their
case.
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: Sachinpatel001
Date: October 4, 2023, 8:42 am
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Thanks
Yeh I agree but I saw from the previous forum that someone had
tried to use that argument previously a few years back and it
was rejected so not shre if it’s worth trying again ?
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: October 4, 2023, 10:12 am
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Rejected by whom? Barnet? ;D
They will never agree and will rely on brinkmanship to pressure
you into paying. The only independent decision will come from
the tribunal.
See what other experienced regulars on this forum think, but if
this was me I'd take this all the way on the basis there is no
actual evidence of a contravention in the council's own footage.
There is a hint of a shadow of a possible vehicle at the top of
the screen at the start but this is not possible to distinguish
once your vehicle comes to a halt, and even if there was a
stationary vehicle there when you entered the box it needs to be
full stationary at the point you stop for the offence to be made
out and I can't see how the video shows this.
You say yourself you aren't sure why you didn't nudge forward
more, which suggests to me you don't think there was a vehicle
off screen blocking you in.
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: Sachinpatel001
Date: October 4, 2023, 5:14 pm
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Thank you
I understand that the rules of the YBJ state that the exit out
of the box should be clear before entering it and it looks like
the exit is clear but for whatever reason the vehicle in front
appears to stop (video doesn’t show why).
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=126751
I think this argument was tried as mentioned and was rejected.
I might try the same argument again but if so is it likely to
fail again ?
Thank you
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 4, 2023, 6:24 pm
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The rules of the box are an invention of the people who write
the Highway Code, it is not the actual law, which is that an
offence occurs if the vehicle enters the box and has to stop
within it due to the presence of stationary vehicles. Before
CCTV and council enforcement, these YBJs were seldom enforced,
but the traffic flowed OK. Enforcement makes shedloads of money
for councils, so it is encumbent upon them to prove a
contravention using their CCTV recording, there being no other
evidence. The video for your PCN shows no stationary vehicle in
front of you. An adjudicator cannot assume that one is there,
and can only judge on the evidence in front of him/her.
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: Sachinpatel001
Date: October 4, 2023, 6:26 pm
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Thank you
I will write an appeal letter/email and post on here before
sending
Thanks again
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Re: YBJ Cricklewood Lane NW2
DIR By: MrChips
Date: October 5, 2023, 5:05 am
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Yes, please do that and we can polish it a bit for you.
I've also now read the Pepipoo thread you referenced. That case
is a bit different to yours as the camera angle shows a
stationary vehicle immediately ahead. Your case is much
stronger.
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