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PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: May 22, 2025, 9:24 am
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Hello again,
I have received 53J while there was some diversions in place. I
took my wife for a doctor's appointment when we found the
diversion. We didn't get the PCN on the way to the doctor but on
the way back. I will try and explain more in the next post with
the pictures.
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: May 22, 2025, 9:33 am
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The pictures shows that the Beverley Road was closed and there
was a diversion on to St Georges Road. We took that to go to the
doctor as I turned left and didn't really see the sign but on
the way back I saw the pedestrian signs with the time( not
realizing that it was a diversion and those signs maybe "should
have been covered" but I turned right on Westfield road but as I
didn't know where I was going I turned left on Halbutt street(no
diversion but I got confused) to go on to Oxlow Lane. I never
knew that I would get a PCN so no picture of diversion but I was
able to search and found lbbd page on X about the road works.
Not sure if it helps but the wife is disabled and the car is
also registered disabled and we have got the screenshot of Dr
appointment for ecg result.
I was wondering if we can challenge this PCN. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Thank you very very much as always.
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: May 24, 2025, 6:03 am
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Hello, Do you guys think that I have a chance of winning this
PCN or should I pay it off?
#Post#: 73163--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 25, 2025, 4:59 am
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We always advise making a formal representation. Back later as
rather busy.
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: May 29, 2025, 3:58 pm
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Hello all, I have taken a bit of help from the tesla man and his
AI lol. This is what the AI drafted for me. I was wondering if
this is alright. Thank you very much in advance.
I challenge PCN BZ8183243A (vehicle: WJ05HCF), issued 21/05/2025
for a 53J contravention on Halbutt St, Dagenham, on 09/05/2025
at 15:51. The contravention did not occur due to inadequate
signage. From Parsloes Ave, I saw a diversion sign on St Georges
Rd directing me to Beverley Rd, closed (X post @lbbdcouncil,
30/04/2025). St Georges Rd is a pedestrian zone (TRO 2023, doc
10285), but its pedestrian signs were not covered during the
diversion, misleading me to turn onto Westfield Rd, then Halbutt
St. The Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3) requires covering such
signs during diversions, breaching TSRGD 2016 (Regulation 18),
invalidating enforcement (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator,
2017). My disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [Insert Number]) was
returning from Tulasi Medical Practice (370 Parsloes Ave, RM9
5QP) after my wife’s ECG results appointment (evidence
attached). I request CCTV footage, TMO, and signage log for St
Georges Rd.
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: June 23, 2025, 2:52 pm
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They have rejected the appeal, I am copying and pasting from the
email that I received when I appealed.
Case number: BZ8183243A
Vehicle registration: WJ05HCF
Contravention: 53J PEDESTRIAN ZONE (CAMERA)
Date and time of contravention: 09/05/2025 15:51
Reason for appeal: 'There was no contravention of an order or
failure to comply with an indication on a sign'
Your answers:
-Question 1 : 'Would you like to give us any more information or
tell us about mitigating circumstances?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 2 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why
you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'The contravention did not occur due to the
council’s failure to comply with statutory traffic signage
duties during an official diversion. A closure of Beverley Rd
(LBBD Twitter, 30/04/2025) diverted traffic onto St Georges Rd,
a pedestrian zone under TRO 2023 (doc 10285). However, the
mandatory pedestrian zone signs on this diversion route were not
covered, misleading me and sending me onto Westfield Rd and
Halbutt St. This breaches the Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3, paras
4.6 & 5.2) and TSRGD 2016 (Reg. 18), which require clarity and
removal or covering of misleading signs. Enforcement is
therefore unlawful (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator, 2017). My
disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [LD4588 0 0205X1026]) was returning
from Tulasi Medical after the appointment with the doctor. I
request cancellation. If refused, I formally request full
disclosure of St Georges Rd and Halbutt St CCTV, signage logs,
and Halbutt St TMO under FOIA and common law rights.'
-Question 3 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to
support your case?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 4 : 'Please upload a copy of your supporting
document(s)'
Answer : 'Files Uploaded - 'image (1).jpg', 'PCN Road
Closure X.jpg', 'nhs.online.nhsonline.jpg''
Is there any possibility of winning this PCN? Thank you very
much.
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 24, 2025, 3:54 am
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From your account:
We didn't get the PCN on the way to the doctor but on the way
back
but on the way back .....I turned right on Westfield road but as
I didn't know where I was going I turned left on Halbutt
street(no diversion but I got confused)
We weren't there and haven't seen the video.
In light of your account, in particular that there wasn't a
diversion which caused you to pass the signs but apparently only
your confusion, what do you think your argument should be if you
go to adjudication?
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: June 24, 2025, 11:14 am
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Hello H C Andersen, Sorry, I wasn't able to explain my point
properly.
We were on Beverly road where we came across diversion which
sent us on St Georges Rd(post 2, picture 1 and 2) with
pedestrian zone on it at school timings.
The council had not covered the pedestrian signs on the St
Georges Rd even though there was a diversion in place. Is my
argument valid that if the council had covered the signs of
pedestrian zone while the diversion was in place then I would
have not turned on to another street and ended up on Halbutt
Street.
#Post#: 77948--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 24, 2025, 11:32 am
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Was Halbut St signed in its own right?
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Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
DIR By: mohmmad786
Date: June 25, 2025, 4:40 am
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Yes, it was :(
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