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Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: johnsmith22
Date: May 21, 2025, 6:40 am
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I used a Zip car on the 3rd of May. While turning off a
roundabout at 9.44pm, I was captured by a camera going in to a
non-motorised turning.
I believe there was in-adequate signage for the contravention.
The tree clearly blocks the sign as your turning on to the
roundabout. In the dark, with no road markings, or plant pots to
show that the road is only accessible via a bike, I have no clue
how I was supposed to see it. The road was wide open for a car
to drive down it. Normally these sort of traps are between
certain hours, and during the day, so you can see them.
My fear is that now Zip Car have paid the violation, I can no
longer challenge it. Is that correct? Or is there a way around
it. Zip car charge £80 for the violation, and £30 for the
processing fee. An eye watering £110 for what I believe was
entrapment by Lambeth Council.
@cp8759
Numberpalte: YY72ZRU
LJ32752705
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#Post#: 72549--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: May 21, 2025, 7:43 am
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The PCN has been paid so it is probable Zip is not transferring
liability to you. They do say they don't do it for all PCNs.
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Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 21, 2025, 10:00 am
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You have no standing in this matter as regards the authority,
you are a legal stranger in these proceedings.
IMO, your only option is to ask Zip Car to write to the council,
copy to you, authorising you to act on their behalf
notwithstanding that the penalty has been paid. If you're
certain of your ground you could perhaps feed them something
along the lines of...
..
PCN *******
The hirer(your details) to whom we had not previously referred
this issue, has contacted us subsequent to us paying the penalty
and recharging them under their contract to advise that they
believe that the alleged contravention did not occur.
We should be obliged if you would be prepared to consider
representations in this respect made with our full authority in
anticipation of which we are notifying him by copy of this
letter to submit representations as soon as possible.
Regards,
#Post#: 73885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: johnsmith22
Date: May 29, 2025, 5:29 pm
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Thanks for your help. [member=1]cp8759[/member] do you think I
have a case here? I believe the signs are blocked by the
overgrown trees, and I have gone to the location to take some
photos and videos of the trap
#Post#: 74054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 31, 2025, 9:04 am
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[member=70]johnsmith22[/member] the penalty is technically
nothing to do with you, as it wasn't issued to you. In theory
you could litigate against Zipcar on the ground that they're
unlawfully deprived you of the right to appeal, but for whatever
reason we're yet to find anyone who has the stomach for going up
against Zipcar in the small claims court (even though they'd
scare me far less than a public authority).
So, the question is ultimately whether you up for a fight with
them.
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Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 31, 2025, 12:24 pm
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OP, IMO the longer you ponder the less chance that Zip would
accede. After all, they have to make an effort.
You have nothing to lose by approaching Zip as suggested whether
or not you have a winning argument.
#Post#: 74501--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: johnsmith22
Date: June 3, 2025, 5:00 am
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Thank you all for your help. I have contacted zip and they have
given me an email that I can contact. How might I best word my
litigation against Zip in my opening email?
Many thanks,
#Post#: 74505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 3, 2025, 5:12 am
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Post the email.
You are NOT litigating against Zip.
#Post#: 75362--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: johnsmith22
Date: June 8, 2025, 9:16 am
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The email address is ukviolations@zipcar.co.uk.
I'm a little bit confused by how to proceed. Could anyone
clarify?
#Post#: 75378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Moving Violation - during Zip Car ride - inadequate signage
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 8, 2025, 10:50 am
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Send what's been drafted to Zip by email and 🤞
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