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PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: senorbear
Date: June 20, 2023, 10:34 am
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Hello all and thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
I got issued with a PCN for the notorious Salters Hill yesterday
which is odd because I'm super careful and knew the car was
there and recording for this exact reason. I live about 40m from
this junction so pass this every day.
I received the letter and looked over the images provided, then
went online to see the video as from the images I cannot see
what contravention they are referring to as I'm clearly waiting
at the give way for the car to come through before going. Online
there are only the same images again which I have added here but
no video so as it stands I have no idea what if any
contravention has occurred. If anything the car in front of me
was contravening as it may indeed have caused the silver
approaching car to slow down.
Full PCN is here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/QEcZ4G0
So my questions are:
1. Is there an email I can contact Lambeth council on that will
provide me with a timely reply?
2. How can they issue a contravention with evidence that doesn't
show a contravention?
3. Is there an easy way to fight this e.g. template letter?
My inclination is to fight this as purposefully as I can and am
not bothered about the risk of getting a doubled fine. It's a
total racket that this thing exists on a road where for the most
part the vehicle isn't there and no issues exist, total
money-grab from Lambeth!
Any advice warmly welcomed.
Thanks again!
SB
#Post#: 261--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: June 20, 2023, 10:50 am
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1. Is there an email I can contact Lambeth council on that will
provide me with a timely reply?
Do NOT go outside the process or you'll get into a complete
mess. Follow the instructions on the PCN on submitting
representations. Obviously in those reps you'll be telling them
their own video shows no contravention.
2. How can they issue a contravention with evidence that doesn't
show a contravention?
Nothing to stop them, councils do it all the time, that's why
London Tribunals exist, and also this forum.
3. Is there an easy way to fight this e.g. template letter?
There is no template letter; best if you write your own and post
a draft here for comment before submitting it.
#Post#: 262--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: senorbear
Date: June 20, 2023, 11:27 am
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I was told on PePiPoo that both of the notice periods were
incorrect and a challenge could be made on that basis hence
coming over here to ask for help.
Also, in regard to requesting the CCTV evidence via email form
Lambeth it seems sensible to me to gather as much evidence as
possible before making the strongest and most accurate challenge
on as many grounds as possible.
#Post#: 263--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: senorbear
Date: June 20, 2023, 11:30 am
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A recent PCN from another user was challenged on the following
basis:
Dear London Borough of Lambeth,
the penalty charge notice issued in this instance gives both the
28 day and 14 day payment periods as starting from the date of
service of the notice, but under the applicable legislation
these periods run from the date of the notice, not the date of
service.
This is a material departure from the requirements of the
statutory scheme, as a result of which the PCN may not be
enforced.
Yours faithfully,
However the user has also posted a rejection letter from Lambeth
so whether that is a viable route I'm unsure, or maybe it just
requires a more persistent approach..
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Re: PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: zincy
Date: June 20, 2023, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: senorbear link ---
>
> Hello all and thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>
> I got issued with a PCN for the notorious Salters Hill
yesterday which is odd because I'm super careful and knew the
car was there and recording for this exact reason. I live about
40m from this junction so pass this every day.
>
> I received the letter and looked over the images provided,
then went online to see the video as from the images I cannot
see what contravention they are referring to as I'm clearly
waiting at the give way for the car to come through before
going. Online there are only the same images again which I have
added here but no video so as it stands I have no idea what if
any contravention has occurred. If anything the car in front of
me was contravening as it may indeed have caused the silver
approaching car to slow down.
>
> Full PCN is here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/QEcZ4G0
>
> So my questions are:
> 1. Is there an email I can contact Lambeth council on that
will provide me with a timely reply?
> 2. How can they issue a contravention with evidence that
doesn't show a contravention?
> 3. Is there an easy way to fight this e.g. template letter?
>
> My inclination is to fight this as purposefully as I can and
am not bothered about the risk of getting a doubled fine. It's a
total racket that this thing exists on a road where for the most
part the vehicle isn't there and no issues exist, total
money-grab from Lambeth!
>
> Any advice warmly welcomed.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> SB
>
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I called lambeth and they gave me this e-mail address which I
e-mailed and a few days later they sent the video evidence.
environment at lambeth.gov.uk
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Re: PCN at Salters Hill 37J
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 21, 2023, 5:42 pm
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--- Quote from: senorbear link ---
>
> However the user has also posted a rejection letter from
Lambeth so whether that is a viable route I'm unsure, or maybe
it just requires a more persistent approach..
>
--- End Quote ---
It is an 100% viable basis, Lambeth always rejects everything
but at the tribunal it will be easy peasy. Send that draft and
I'll be happy to represent you at the tribunal once you've
received the Notice of Rejection.
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