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#Post#: 71958--------------------------------------------------
INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green arrow/lane
closure light signals
DIR By: just glad of help
Date: May 17, 2025, 8:05 am
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Genuinely this is for a friend who has difficulties explaining
due to health.
This person had borrowed a car. Someone kindly sent a video to
operation snap and teh Police have asked for name of driver.On
the front page of the letter it states "Offence Drive on road,
other than a motorway, fail to comply with red/green arrow/lane
closure light signals".stating "offence RT88975 states
contravene red traffic light in the letter. On turning right the
driver is met by oncoming traffic and has to reverse".
Factually the driver was turning left not right. It is a one way
road with two lanes. The left lane is normally only ahead or
left. Right turn is to a car park. The car park lane was closed
off. According to govt temporary traffic lights it states. "the
temporary lights are clearly visible and positioned in advance
of the lane closure and turning points".
These temporary lights were positioned long after the lane
closure, level with the non working lights, positioned on right
of the road closure side and not placed before the lane closure,
hence he did not see the lights hidden behind blue arrow signs
etc. There was no red sign saying temporary traffic lights prior
to lane closure
The non working lights were seen on teh left by driver as he is
negotiating the closed lane. It is a dark area due to high
building walls at 1450pm in afternoon, so lighting is not very
good as evidenced in their pictures, so as he approached them
with caution he was looking up to check they were still not
working, which they were not, whilst looking ahead at safety of
road where no cars were visible ahead and taking everything in
in the area for safety, he thought they were just out and not
working and proceeded with caution at slow speed. He was going
very slowly and as turned left, traffic was travelling towards
him in the left lane he was turning into, unbeknown to him. So
he reversed back into a safe place slowly and waited until it
was safe as had no vision of lights as all not working. Now the
letter has arrived and he did not see the temporary traffic
lights in middle of the road as pictured, which were positioned
behind a blue arrow sign, and many metres after teh lane closure
looking at the pictures, which would have been hidden at a
distance approaching as low traffic lights, on a gradient coming
up hill, and when youre trying to take in the permanent traffic
lights not working on your left, in dark black road you are
really concentrating against bright sun in the distance. If
lights are out on a two lane one way road where should the
temporary lights be on positioned in law when road has been made
to one left lane? Grateful for any advice as I do think there
has been an error here and road temporary planning was poor and
probably unlawful? Havent added pictures yet as you advice not
too.
#Post#: 71959--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 17, 2025, 8:09 am
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I lost the will to live whilst trying to wade through those
solid blocks of text.
Some white space, and ideally a GSV/GM link would probably help
#Post#: 71960--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: May 17, 2025, 8:18 am
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I would suggest few people on here would be able to give a view
on your friend's guilt or innocence, based on that description
of events.
Whatever he decides to do about the allegation itself, he must
respond to the request for driver's details within the 28 days
allowed. Failure to do so will see him commit a separate, more
serious offence which carries six points.
#Post#: 71973--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: just glad of help
Date: May 17, 2025, 9:26 am
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So sorry Andy im not very computer literate im afraid. im like
one sentence an hour one finger typing. what is a GSV /GM LINK?
I will try and look up in meantime but may need to try and get
some help. thankyou for reading. Yes the driver details have
been sent off to the police.
#Post#: 71975--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: morris-man
Date: May 17, 2025, 9:31 am
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GSV/GM is Google Street View/Google Maps
#Post#: 72251--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: just glad of help
Date: May 19, 2025, 12:49 pm
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Thankyou for reply of meaning of abbreviations.
I hope this works.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xdwbrNYzZkibMTCs6
Ive added a picture of area at teh time where you can see its
poor lighting.
There was no attempt to speed through lights as were not seen,
the video shows the slow speed of teh vehicle as to being
cautious. attached photo of road thankyou for help
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#Post#: 72256--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: disgruntchelt
Date: May 19, 2025, 1:06 pm
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I don’t think your friend will get any sympathy saying it was
dark. However I do have some sympathy with the fact there
doesn’t appear to be a stop here when red light shows sign that
temporary lights normally have.
Your friend should phone up and ask if plod can send the full
video to help identify the driver.
#Post#: 72315--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: BertB
Date: May 20, 2025, 3:57 am
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There is a stop line on the road. The temporary lights are
positioned next to the regular lights. The assumption would be
to use the same stop line. The advance 'wait here' signs are
usually on single carriageway roads where traffic will be coming
from the other direction toward you.
The position of the lights are fine. The "couldn't see them
because of the blue sign" is nonsense, unless they were in a
Sinclair C5.
Poor lighting? No, its a shadow cast on the road. A natural
occurrence when driving through a town on a sunny day.
#Post#: 72363--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: May 20, 2025, 9:00 am
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If your friend was turning left into St Lukes Road from Abbey
Road, why did he meet oncoming traffic that forced him to
reverse?
Was there a lane closure and temporary lights on St Lukes as
well?
Like [member=670]BertB[/member] I don't quite understand how
your friend failed to see the temp lights
#Post#: 73521--------------------------------------------------
Re: INTENTION TO PROSECUTE, fail comply with red/green
arrow/lane closure light signals
DIR By: just glad of help
Date: May 27, 2025, 5:43 pm
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Yes, there was a lane closure and temporary lights on St Lukes
as well so traffic was coming towards me in the lane I was
entering as I turned left.
The person doesnt think there was a stop sign there at all, even
before the lane closure.
But they will get in touch with Police to get a copy of the
video to check. Because of the dark areas and the sun in the
area locally, you do at many lights, have to concentrate hard on
the main traffic lights, to see if they are definitely showing
or working at many sections, because they are difficult to tell
what they are on.
Ive found that myself many times having to go slow to check, so
I have sympathy for what happened to this person in this spot,
genuinely thinking the lights were not functioning as driving
towards them looking and looking up at the left, missing teh
lights on the other side of road. It was a genuine mistake,
which could have been avoided with signage, red stop/ wait here
sign and temporary lights put at the beginning of the lane
closure, as people would normally expect and traffic legislation
states to do. Do whoever manages the closures not have to follow
these legal procedures, ie can they put temporary lights on
opposite side of road to where lights are normally positioned,
and after the blue arrow sign etc, especially without red
signage ? Thanks for your advice
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