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#Post#: 71737--------------------------------------------------
25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours without
loading
DIR By: alexB
Date: May 15, 2025, 3:11 pm
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Hi, please let me know if I have any chance if I take this to
tribunal.
I received a ticket for parking in a loading only bay. But there
was no restricted hours shown on the sign so I thought it was
invalid.
There never use to be any signs to say loading only. Southwark
council then put a sign saying “loading only” with no time
restrictions such as “at any time” or hours shown.
Since my appeal they have not only rejected my appeal but they
have now updated the sign and added hours only.
I feel like this is unfair bearing in mind that the sign is only
restricted to Monday-Saturday and my PCN was issued on a Sunday.
Please advise me if I should take this to tribunal and if yes
under what grounds?
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Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 15, 2025, 3:49 pm
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I received a ticket for parking in a loading only bay. But there
was no restricted hours shown on the sign so I thought it was
invalid.
Where is the sign in evidence?
Were you actually loading or did you just park?
#Post#: 71749--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: alexB
Date: May 15, 2025, 3:55 pm
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I have attached the sign evidence when the PCN was issued. But
they have now updated the signs with hours.
I was not loading at the time the PCN was issued.
But the sign has now been updated to mon-sat 7-7pm only.
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#Post#: 71755--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2025, 4:42 pm
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--- Quote from: alexB link ---
>
> I have attached the sign evidence when the PCN was issued. But
they have now updated the signs with hours.
>
> I was not loading at the time the PCN was issued.
>
> But the sign has now been updated to mon-sat 7-7pm only.
>
--- End Quote ---
OK, the sign has been updated, but when you parked it just said
"Loading Only". This means that the restriction applies 24x7 and
they say this in their letter of rejection. I'm sorry to say
that they are right. Any restriction sign with no days or times
always means 24x7.
However, they may have updated the TRO for this bay, but been
tardy in changing the sign, so in actual fact, when you parked
the TRO may have already shown the new days and times, so no
contravention occurred. But you'd have to check the TRO, and
this can be difficult. How many days between your PCN and you
seeing the new sign ?
#Post#: 71758--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: alexB
Date: May 15, 2025, 5:12 pm
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I was issued the PCN ON 13/04 and they changed the sign around
the 04/05 so around 21 days but before they fixed the sign (the
one that use to be there was removed) it use to be mon-sat 7-7pm
aswell.
#Post#: 71761--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2025, 6:14 pm
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I had to go back to GSV March 2019 to get a shot of th e losding
sign with days and times as you say was once there.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/6tGJLDBR9nzPuZyA9
A year earlier it was similar but different time allowed for
loading
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/6tGJLDBR9nzPuZyA9
But the sign is missing in 2022 and 2024
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/u6M3A9EPVBdn1Yvd7
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xezEVMf8QJTEiX9M9
There is no GSV view after their July 2024 view
It would help if you can get a photo of the current sign.
I strongly suspect that the TRO for this bay remains unchanged,
from 2019 but the missing sign was replaced by a sign that did
not reflect what the TRO says. To get to the bottom of this, you
have to be prepared to take them to adjudication, where they
will be forced to prove that the sign with not times was
correct, and to explain why only a3 weeks later you saw the sign
that had been in place in 2019. You would have to forego the
discount, unfortunately. Of course if you win, you pay nothing.
I have done a bit of delving, and have found this Southwark
facility for viewing all the static restrictions in the borough.
HTML https://streets.appyway.com/southwark
Type in "Rainbow Street" into the search box and the map will
then zoom in to that street and you can click on each of the
restrictions. The Loading Only bay is Mon-Sat 07.00 - 19.00
MOn-Sat. The key info is in the Publications Box, where it says
the loading bay days and times were applied on 10th June 2011
#Post#: 71762--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: alexB
Date: May 15, 2025, 6:18 pm
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Thank you for the information. I have attached the image of the
current sign.
I suspect that it was never changed otherwise why would they
change the sign 3 weeks after issuing me with a PCN.
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#Post#: 71763--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2025, 6:37 pm
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What this means is that the sign with no times or days was
erected in error, and the PCN is void, but getting them to admit
it will be a struggle. I suggest you also contact your local
councillor to complain about council stupidity.
#Post#: 71861--------------------------------------------------
Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 16, 2025, 1:10 pm
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The restriction has always been 7 til 7 so as you parked at
something past 4 you would have to talk quickly The road
markings are clear and you are expected to know what a road sign
means. An adjudicator may find that in the absence of a sign
that reflects the order no contravention can occur but it is not
a sure thing
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Re: 25 - Parked in a loading place during restricted hours
without loading
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 16, 2025, 1:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> The restriction has always been 7 til 7 so as you parked at
something past 4 you would have to talk quickly The road
markings are clear and you are expected to know what a road sign
means. An adjudicator may find that in the absence of a sign
that reflects the order no contravention can occur but it is not
a sure thing
>
--- End Quote ---
It's 7am-7pm Mon-Sat, but the OP parked on a Sunday. Surely if a
sign does not reflect the TRO for the bay, no contravention has
been committed ?
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