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#Post#: 71703--------------------------------------------------
Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: AzZ
Date: May 15, 2025, 1:00 pm
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Hello
I wanted to run a PCN I have received past the forum to see if
there are grounds for appeal.
Background:
I parked on a road marked by a single yellow line on Saturday 10
May. I have parked on this particular road before with no
issues. I do not believe Marshall Street falls within the
Manchester controlled parking zone. I have checked the map on
the Manchester council site.
HTML https://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/500346/city_centre_parking/146/on-street_parking/6
To my knowledge there are no prescribed time sign posts on the
street. There is also no CPZ restriction sign on entry to
Marshall Street.
The exact location I parked can be seen on the following link:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/C4NfR8rcVvENn75c7
My car was parked pretty much where the black car is parked on
the GSV photo.
PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MwvsbnS.jpeg
I took some photos yesterday of the entrance of Marshall Street
turning in from Rochdale road retracing the route. I have taken
photos at each intersection joining Marshall Street and didn’t
spot any CPZ signage.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QZC7jOo.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/r4fWQKW.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/C5ziiRu.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ScpdrHE.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/PSBWzTT.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pXqxfT2.jpeg
Please let me know what you think and the best way to proceed if
appealing the PCN.
#Post#: 71754--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2025, 4:34 pm
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It's a bit difficult here because GSV isn't all up-to-date, but
if you entered Marshall Street from here, (A62), you wold have
passed these signs: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/LQ83j4vR8xq6kdE79
However, at the other end of Marshall St, where you turned in
there are no signs, as you say. The trouble is that this id a
bit zone, and there is a sign as you drive in on the Rochdale
Road here: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/q1W2QkWsABWNhE1k9
This sign is 183 metres away from the turn into Marshal St. Yes,
its rather naughty, as how are you meant to read all the
restricted times while driving along at 30 mph, but its part of
the council's box-of-tricks to get the money in. The sign is
also easily obscured by high-sided vehicles.
You should submit representations based on inadequate signage of
this CPZ, there being nothing at all about this zone on their
website, and a sign like this on a busy main road means it is
easily missed, and can be obscured by buses and high-sided
vehicles. My opinion is that the council have failed adequately
to sign this CPZ, thus failing in their duty under Regulation 18
of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure)
(England and Wales) Regulations 1996 : -
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/part/III
However, don't expect them to roll over and cancel the PCN. They
will send you a FOb-Off letter rejecting your reps because they
know that >95% of people then just cough-up. If you want to take
them all the way, you'll have to wait for the Notice to Owner,
submit reps again, get rejected again, and then you can register
an appeal at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.
Are you the registered owner on the V5C Registration Certificate
for the vehicle ? Under the parking legislation, the keeper has
sole responsibility for appealing a PCN, although the owner can
authorise a person to act for them. Particular difficulties can
be experienced with hire and lease firms.
#Post#: 72195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: AzZ
Date: May 19, 2025, 9:34 am
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Thank you for the response.
I will submit an informal appeal to begin with based on
inadequate signage of the CPZ. As you mentioned I fully expect
this to be rejected.
I have no issue taking the case to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal
however I need to understand the merits of doing so. The council
will argue that there was a sign on Rochdale Road (183 metres
from the turning to Marshall Street), however from the legal
aspect does this still cover them?
Looking at Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic
Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996: -
(
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/part/III)
what
would constitute 'adequate signage'? Would they not just say the
CPZ was covered by a sign on Rochdale Road so individual signs
are not required for each Street?
Funnily enough I did see the exact scenario you mentioned about
the sign being obscured by a high sided vehicle on GSV.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QxiUyoC95WtHT3iJ9
Two buses in that photo, if you were passing in the right lane
there’s no chance you would be seeing that CPZ sign. The CPZ is
just after the end of the bus lane as well, so if you were
passing a bus you'd have to turn into the left lane at just the
right moment to both see the sign and make sure you don't enter
the bus lane.
Reading some of the reviews for the TPT on Google doesn’t
inspire much confidence. Are there any cases that have been won
based on similar circumstances?
I am the registered owner and keeper of the vehicle.
#Post#: 80733--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: AzZ
Date: July 12, 2025, 11:03 am
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Hi
I am following up on my original post as I am now due to make
formal representations to Manchester City Council following the
NTO.
Below is the response I received following my informal
representations. I have, as expected, been fobbed off. Before I
submit my formal appeal via post, I wanted to get some advice.
The response I received states that:
I have noted your comments that there was no signage regarding
the single yellow line restriction. Marshall Street, where you
were parked, is in the Miller Street Controlled Parking Zone. As
you enter the zone, you will pass a controlled zone sign. These
signs explain that the rules for single yellow lines apply 8am -
6pm, Monday - Friday & 8am-12:30pm on a Saturday. Individual
streets within the zone do not require additional signage. The
way this zone is signed is compliant with current legislation.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/DsEGi6l.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jZYww4l.jpeg
However as per my original post, and the route I took to the
street I received a ticket on, I would not have passed the sign
on Miller Street mentioned in the parking officer's letter. Can
I challenge this or use this fact in my formal representations
to win?
Finally I need to select the specified grounds for the appeal.
Could someone please advise which option is best suited to my
case? I am arguing that the signage is inadequate for the CPZ. I
did not pass the signage mentioned in the response above and the
Manchester City Council website doesn't include the street I
parked on as being part of the CPZ. Below is a scan of the
options.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/8Cx29Z9.jpeg
I need to get my written response posted on Monday. Thank you
and I appreciate any advice received.
#Post#: 80739--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 12, 2025, 2:14 pm
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To win at the adjudicators, you must be able to prove that the
sign they say is in place, is not actually there, and that there
are no repeater signs on the route you took to the place where
you parked, neither were there any at the location where
parked..
#Post#: 80835--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: AzZ
Date: July 13, 2025, 2:21 pm
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Thanks.
So in this case I do not doubt that the sign they have referred
to is not there, rather its location is not relevant to the
route I took. I entered the street I parked on from a totally
different direction and no signs were present. No repeater signs
were passed on entry to the street I parked on, nor along it.
Which specific grounds shall I put forward my case on? I need to
select this before responding.
Cheers.
#Post#: 80840--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 13, 2025, 3:23 pm
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--- Quote from: AzZ link ---
>
> Thanks.
>
> So in this case I do not doubt that the sign they have
referred to is not there, rather its location is not relevant to
the route I took. I entered the street I parked on from a
totally different direction and no signs were present. No
repeater signs were passed on entry to the street I parked on,
nor along it.
>
> Which specific grounds shall I put forward my case on? I need
to select this before responding.
>
> Cheers.
>
--- End Quote ---
You need to identify the entrance to the zone on your route.
This should have the relevant sign, and without its presence,
the contravention did not occur.
#Post#: 80850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 13, 2025, 3:53 pm
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OP, there do not need to be signs where you entered the street,
nor along it. Can we get away from this pl. A CPZ in this
instance is:
(a)
an area—
(i)
in which every part of every road is subject to a prohibition
indicated by single or double yellow lines or single or double
yellow kerb markings (except where parking spaces have been
provided, where entrance to or exit from the road is made, where
there is a prohibition or restriction on waiting, stopping,
loading or unloading indicated by a different sign or where
there is a crossing) whether or not an upright sign to indicate
the same prohibition is placed in conjunction with the line or
kerb marking; and
(ii)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic [into the AREA,
not every road in an area] has been indicated by the sign
provided for at item 1 or 3 of the sign table in Part 3 of
Schedule 5
#Post#: 111345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: AzZ
Date: February 27, 2026, 6:50 am
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This is a bit old but I thought I'd give a brief update on the
outcome.
I followed this one through all the way to the adjudicator
stage. After a review of the case they agreed with me and
concluded that the CPZ sign location was easily obscured-
especially its placement following the end of a bus lane. They
said they agree that because of its placement that it would be
unreasonable for a driver to be able to review all the
information outlying the CPZ times.
It’s nice to have a positive outcome- especially when taking on
the council.
Thank you to all that contributed as without this forum I
probably wouldn't have won.
#Post#: 111374--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester: code 01 parked in a restricted street, Marshall
Street, single yellow line
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 27, 2026, 9:03 am
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Well done for seeing it through and for letting us know the
outcome.
Assuming 'they' is the Tribunal and not the Council, could you
please post up the decision, as, unlike London, there is no
online library of TPT decisions. Just redact yr name & address.
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