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#Post#: 79113--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: Handsomejohnny
Date: July 1, 2025, 1:00 pm
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So if i dont get the NOR, but i do get the CC, I should have
legitimate grounds to appeal?
Tbh, I thought the dates didnt seem to match up as I made reps
on the day I received the NTO and there hasn't been enough days
for them to bump it up to £75, so I wondered if there mightve
been an error in that my reps haven't been logged properly.
Is it worth me waiting till the 56 days expires before querying,
so they can't rush out an NOR before the deadline? Or is it
enough to challenge based on the fact the charge has gone up on
the website without any response from the council?
The NTO was classed as served on 13th May and my reps were in
the same day
#Post#: 79122--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 1, 2025, 2:10 pm
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Forget 56 days, it's a distraction: they've issued a CC and
therefore presumed to have issued a prior NOR.
So if i dont get the NOR, but i do get the CC, I should have
legitimate grounds to appeal?
Read the enforcement process pl:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process
You cannot 'appeal' at present, you have to get back on track.
Read the process and then ask any questions.
#Post#: 79142--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 1, 2025, 3:48 pm
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See also
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
#Post#: 79143--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: Handsomejohnny
Date: July 1, 2025, 3:52 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Forget 56 days, it's a distraction: they've issued a CC and
therefore presumed to have issued a prior NOR.
>
> So if i dont get the NOR, but i do get the CC, I should have
legitimate grounds to appeal?
>
> Read the enforcement process pl:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process
>
> You cannot 'appeal' at present, you have to get back on track.
Read the process and then ask any questions.
>
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This says London, does it apply to North Tyneside too?
#Post#: 79146--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 1, 2025, 4:06 pm
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Yes.
If you want chapter and verse, feel free to peruse:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/contents
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348231564
HTML https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/appeals-process-parking-england/
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Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: Handsomejohnny
Date: July 2, 2025, 1:29 am
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Thanks both. Ive read the linked info and from what I understand
my next step is to wait for the CC, then make a witness
statement as per the process detailed.
I do still have a couple of questions, if thats ok?
If the council have failed to respond to my reps by post, is
there any guarantee that I'll receive a charge certificate, and
what if I don't?
Can't I challenge on the grounds that no response has been
received within the statutory 56 days? Why is it presumed that
they issued an NOR, rather than there's a potential procedural
impropriety.
Thanks again for your help with this 🙏🏼
#Post#: 79152--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 2, 2025, 1:35 am
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--- Quote from: Handsomejohnny link ---
>
> Thanks both. Ive read the linked info and from what I
understand my next step is to wait for the CC, then make a
witness statement as per the process detailed.
>
> I do still have a couple of questions, if thats ok?
>
> If the council have failed to respond to my reps by post, is
there any guarantee that I'll receive a charge certificate, and
what if I don't?
>
> The procedure for checking that a CC has been issued is
covered in
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
>
> Can't I challenge on the grounds that no response has been
received within the statutory 56 days? Why is it presumed that
they issued an NOR, rather than there's a potential procedural
impropriety.
>
> You cannot challenge anything until the process has been
reset.
>
> Thanks again for your help with this 🙏🏼
>
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Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: Handsomejohnny
Date: July 2, 2025, 2:20 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote author=Handsomejohnny link=topic=6315.msg79151#msg79151
date=1751437742]
> Thanks both. Ive read the linked info and from what I
understand my next step is to wait for the CC, then make a
witness statement as per the process detailed.
>
> I do still have a couple of questions, if thats ok?
>
> If the council have failed to respond to my reps by post, is
there any guarantee that I'll receive a charge certificate, and
what if I don't?
>
> The procedure for checking that a CC has been issued is
covered in
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
>
>
--- End Quote ---
So should I be calling TEC daily to check whether a debt has
been registered? Sorry if it seems like I'm asking obvious
questions but this isnt a very user friendly process and I have
no experience of it at all, so I'm really looking for a clear
set of steps/actions to take 🙃
#Post#: 79159--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 2, 2025, 3:07 am
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To be clear:
The council have issued a CC. In itself this is merely a process
step and even if you received it would not require you to take
action.
The next stage is when, in their desperation, they refer the
matter to the 'court' - the Traffic Enforcement Centre- for
authority to issue an Order for Recovery. This step costs the
council £10 which would be added to the outstanding penalty. You
would therefore know when an Order for Recovery has been issued
because the amount outstanding increases to £85. An OfR would
include a Witness Statement form which you would complete (tick
one box and sign)and return to TEC within the period specified
citing the grounds: 'made representations to the authority but
did not receive a response'. TEC would then revoke the OfR and
direct the council to cancel the CC.
The council's options would then be to refer the matter to the
adjudicator for their directions or to cancel. In reality, only
if they discovered that they had not actually issued a NOR would
they cancel. You would be notified by the tribunal what action
you should take.
#Post#: 79171--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Tyneside Code 86 Parked Outside Marked Bays - Spanish
Battery Off Street Car Park
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: July 2, 2025, 4:32 am
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> So should I be calling TEC daily to check whether a debt has
been registered?
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From
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-notic/
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> Once the debt has been registered with TEC, the PCN status /
history will say so and the amount will increase by £10.
>
> For all other cases, we cannot yet say how reliable the
council websites are at showing the £10 increase, so the best
approach is to simply call TEC on 0300 123 1059 (first thing in
the morning if you want to avoid a long wait) and ask if your
PCN has been registered (do not ask anything else, they cannot
help you with any other query whatsoever).
>
> If the PCN has not been registered with TEC, put a reminder in
your calendar to call again after 7 / 10 days (not longer),
repeat the process until the debt has been registered.
>
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